• @Feathercrown
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    2416 days ago

    Please make an effort to understand the point someone is making before attacking it.

    • @[email protected]
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      -3016 days ago

      Excuse me? Are you really this?

      This man is against a movement that champions for him because the name is gendered towards a group that he doesn’t identify with. He is resistant to it and the position it takes up because of the name.

      There is no council of “the Feminists” who vote the name. This is a term that has evolved into this place, not one person put it this way and the absolute silly pettiness of it is his reason to oppose it?

      And you think I’m failing to understand that position? You know who takes positions like that? Children.

      foh my god how absolutely childish 🤣

      • Fushuan [he/him]
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        2016 days ago

        “They said something negative about my movement, they must be an enemy”

        You assumed their gender, they did not mention it in the comment. Given the context, quite embarrassing.
        You can’t accept simple critique about a name. Their only complain of the movement is the name, that’s a fucking good ally to have. I’m all in about the feminist movement, I acknowledge that it’s about everyone, and I still see why some people would get confused.

        Are you a troll? You must be a troll. If you are not, you really need to talk with someone about how incapable you are about receiving critique.

      • @[email protected]
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        But they’re not. They are simply saying that lay people assuming feminism is for feminine gender is to be expected as they may go on the face value of it. They aren’t saying that the goal of feminism is anti men, rather they agree it is anti abuse due to patriarchal structures but the naming only brings confusion and irrational reactions for the uninformed.

        • @[email protected]
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          -1116 days ago

          No. Reread what he said.

          He is not a feminist because they should’ve renamed themselves. That’s not a criticism, that’s a stance of someone masquerading as an ally it is a well-known position many men take so they don’t have to actually support the movement that works on their behalf.

          That criticism has been used to bring genuine resistance to the movement and the fact all these dudes in here still say/think this shit shows why this person is a dummy.

          • @Feathercrown
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            616 days ago

            Ok, but is that the case for this specific person? Or are you using the general trend to attack someone in particular who may not exhibit the negative traits you associate with their position? Condemning someone as a fake ally when they are not is not a good move for several reasons.

      • @Feathercrown
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        1116 days ago

        To address the least objectionable part of this comment (it bugs me and the rest has been covered already):

        This is a term that has evolved into this place, not one person put it this way

        How do you expect terms to evolve without people making arguments like this? You accept it as a fact that these terms evolve and are agreed upon somehow, but you’re missing that this happens through individual people making points like this.

        • @[email protected]
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          -916 days ago

          Why does it need to evolve? It is feminism you know what it is. You are for all of it but the name, so you won’t support it?

          And don’t do what dummy above said and claim you support it but don’t use the label because it is gendered. That is some privileged ass shit bro. Bore me to death out here

          • @Feathercrown
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            1116 days ago

            It is feminism you know what it is.

            I mean, we do, but a surprising amount of people don’t. This is precisely why the name should evolve. Well, that and the perspective that the movement’s goals have changed significantly enough from individual liberation of women to comprehensive equality of everyone, which should come with a corresponding change in the name. These are related.

            You are for all of it but the name, so you won’t support it?

            It’s more that if people are informally introduced to the movement, their preconceptions are formed by its name. This can turn them off from seeking or accepting the real nature of the movement once it’s explained to them. As a reminder, most people put very little thought into this sort of thing, so making a good impression for the people who are potential allies is important. You can argue that that’s stupid and shouldn’t be necessary, but it won’t stop it from working like that.

            And don’t do what dummy above said and claim you support it but don’t use the label because it is gendered.

            I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a situation where it’s useful to directly say “I am a feminist” because it’s generally clear from my other opinions, but I would if the situation required it. I do agree that an alternative label would be better, though.

            • @[email protected]
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              That’s not evolution lol that is forced rebranding because of how some dudes feel. If their hurdle is the term feminism then good, they’re not ready to be adults.

              Shake my god damn mother fuckin entire head bro. shake that shit left and then right over how foolish you boys are.

              Horsepower, Butterfly, Literally, Blowjob, The Democraric People’s Republic of Korea. You cool with that shit but not Feminism? Because your weiner isn’t in the title???

              Like bro there are still places called Indian Creek in America. Feminism is the term we gotta go after though?

              I bet every dude saying this line of thought uses words like literally and doesn’t bat an eye.