This is such a bewildering take. You can yadda yadda corruption on both sides but when the platform of one side is “making your and your neighbors lives better” and the platform of the other side is “straight-up fascism; we want to put people in camps,” the arithmetic is clear.
You’ll never ever ever be able to vote for a perfect candidate. You might as well vote to make your country a better place to live.
Remind me what the Dems actually get done. They CLAIM to be progressives, but oddly they always seem to get stopped. They had how long to codify row vs wade into law and they didn’t. Republicans swooped it away in seconds like it was nothing. So which party actually gets shit done when they’re in power? It’s not the Dems. They’re incredibly ineffectual while the Rs just run the board.
You can say all the nice shit in the world, but if you can’t actually get anything done, you’re worthless.
Honestly at this point, the smartest move Dems could make is voting R. Infiltrate the party that actually gets shit done from he inside and steer them differently. Fill the R party with so many progressives what we move the Overton window back. But that would take concentrated effort and the Dems don’t have the stomach for dirty games, even if those are the rules that need to be played by now.
They had how long to codify row vs wade into law and they didn’t.
Democrats have had 6 months since 1993 with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, plus control of the house and White House. Outside of that narrow window during Obama’s first term, they would never have been able to codify Roe v Wade. They used that time to pass the ACA.
Exactly my point. They have all that time and can’t get it done because of the Republicans. Republicans got it done tho, didn’t they? So which party holds actual power? So why should I vote D when they can only muster 6 months of actual power in the last 3 decades? Why would I think voting for them would matter at all? Even when elected they’re eunichs. Thanks for proving my point.
I understand which party has the power to get things done. And I understand when one party is ineffective at fighting back and should be abandoned for a party that can fight back. You’re stuck in the 2 party mindset. There are numerous other political groups in the US. You could be supporting a labor party, an environmental party, a civil rights party, etc. but instead it’s always “R is evil, so you need to vote for a D, otherwise BOOGYMAN!”. Or how about we empower the other political parties and start having real nuanced political discourse?
Because Us vs Them is a hell of a lot easier.
Bitch and moan about your ideals all you want. The reality is the Rs win, the Ds lose, and the Ds just keep whining that the means ol Rs are stopping them instead of changing tactics and listening to constuents who are tired of out of touch old white guys deciding the future of our country. The Democrat party suffers from a serious image issue and this constant “well vote for us anyways” just becomes pathetic over the years.
You fundamentally misunderstand what’s necessary for Republicans to accomplish their goals vs Democrats to accomplish their goals. Overturning Roe and codifying Roe are two completely different branches of the government. You really need to brush up on civics.
Who got what they wanted? Rs. Who lost what they wanted? Ds.
It’s the same story over and over but you want to convince us that “this time it’s different!”.
Well, when you guys actually start getting shit done, I’ll support you. But if it’s “at least you’re not voting for X”, nah, go jump off a cliff. It’s the party of doers vs the party of “we try really hard but somehow keep failing and our only idea is to blame the other guys”.
Shrinking the government, reducing services, shutting down programs and deregulating are all much easier than passing laws to guarantee new rights or build new programs. Democrats’ priorities are generally to build new things, Republicans’ are to obstruct or destroy.
So why should I vote D when they can only muster 6 months of actual power in the last 3 decades?
The Inflation Reduction Act is the single largest clean energy policy ever enacted. Just because Democrats are blocked from achieving all of their goals doesn’t mean they are accomplishing nothing.
Look at the US’s historic natural gas production, and the expected natural gas production for the following decade. Now tell me again about how much democrats care about climate.
Hey look guys! In 30 years the Ds did a thing! That totally balances out the 100s of things the Rs have done in the same time!
You said it yourself “they’re blocked from achieving their goals”. The best supercar in the world is outrun by a toddler if it has no gas. I’d rather vote for a toddler than the guy claiming “we’ll have gas soon. Just as soon as we convince the gas station to sell it to us and the bank to honor our card and…”
I pointed out one recent, big accomplishment. If you’re genuinely unaware of anything else they’ve done, you’re welcome to read some of the lengthy lists others have posted in these comments.
You’re literally the one who said that since 1993 they have only had 6 months of actual unopposed power. You’re literally the person saying “In the last 3 decades, the Democrats have only had the ability to do anything for a grand total of 6 months.”
How the fuck isn’t that an ineffectual party? Would you go to a doctor that can only help you for 6 months out of 30 YEARS? But somehow this is okay when talking about the Democrats? You’re not immediately thinking “well what have these jackasses been doing this whole time?”.
Cus you absolutely should. And if you’re only answer is “well the Rs are better at it than them”, you either have to change tactics or find another team. You’ve already admitted you’re the losers.
Going back to the car metaphor: you’re over here complaining that you could do so many things with your supercar, if only the Rs would let you have some gas. Meanwhile, there are electric supercars being built that don’t need gas. A completely different avenue to take. Instead of fighting for gas, you just build the best electric supercar instead and outrun them.
The Dems are over here begging for gas when there are plenty of other parties building that electric supercar.
You’re literally the person saying “In the last 3 decades, the Democrats have only had the ability to do anything for a grand total of 6 months.”
I did not say that. I said that the 6 month window was the only time they could pass one specific thing: codifying Roe. As I said in another comment, Democrats may not be able to accomplish every priority due to GOP obstruction, but they have still been able to pass substantial, significant legislation. Not to mention some executive actions like DACA to give protection to Dreamers.
This is such a bewildering take. You can yadda yadda corruption on both sides but when the platform of one side is “making your and your neighbors lives better” and the platform of the other side is “straight-up fascism; we want to put people in camps,” the arithmetic is clear.
You’ll never ever ever be able to vote for a perfect candidate. You might as well vote to make your country a better place to live.
Remind me what the Dems actually get done. They CLAIM to be progressives, but oddly they always seem to get stopped. They had how long to codify row vs wade into law and they didn’t. Republicans swooped it away in seconds like it was nothing. So which party actually gets shit done when they’re in power? It’s not the Dems. They’re incredibly ineffectual while the Rs just run the board.
You can say all the nice shit in the world, but if you can’t actually get anything done, you’re worthless.
Honestly at this point, the smartest move Dems could make is voting R. Infiltrate the party that actually gets shit done from he inside and steer them differently. Fill the R party with so many progressives what we move the Overton window back. But that would take concentrated effort and the Dems don’t have the stomach for dirty games, even if those are the rules that need to be played by now.
Democrats have had 6 months since 1993 with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, plus control of the house and White House. Outside of that narrow window during Obama’s first term, they would never have been able to codify Roe v Wade. They used that time to pass the ACA.
They could have done away with the filibuster for good any time they had a simple majority. They prefer the filibuster.
Exactly my point. They have all that time and can’t get it done because of the Republicans. Republicans got it done tho, didn’t they? So which party holds actual power? So why should I vote D when they can only muster 6 months of actual power in the last 3 decades? Why would I think voting for them would matter at all? Even when elected they’re eunichs. Thanks for proving my point.
You don’t seem to understand the difference between progress and obstruction.
I understand which party has the power to get things done. And I understand when one party is ineffective at fighting back and should be abandoned for a party that can fight back. You’re stuck in the 2 party mindset. There are numerous other political groups in the US. You could be supporting a labor party, an environmental party, a civil rights party, etc. but instead it’s always “R is evil, so you need to vote for a D, otherwise BOOGYMAN!”. Or how about we empower the other political parties and start having real nuanced political discourse?
Because Us vs Them is a hell of a lot easier.
Bitch and moan about your ideals all you want. The reality is the Rs win, the Ds lose, and the Ds just keep whining that the means ol Rs are stopping them instead of changing tactics and listening to constuents who are tired of out of touch old white guys deciding the future of our country. The Democrat party suffers from a serious image issue and this constant “well vote for us anyways” just becomes pathetic over the years.
You fundamentally misunderstand what’s necessary for Republicans to accomplish their goals vs Democrats to accomplish their goals. Overturning Roe and codifying Roe are two completely different branches of the government. You really need to brush up on civics.
Who got what they wanted? Rs. Who lost what they wanted? Ds.
It’s the same story over and over but you want to convince us that “this time it’s different!”.
Well, when you guys actually start getting shit done, I’ll support you. But if it’s “at least you’re not voting for X”, nah, go jump off a cliff. It’s the party of doers vs the party of “we try really hard but somehow keep failing and our only idea is to blame the other guys”.
Shrinking the government, reducing services, shutting down programs and deregulating are all much easier than passing laws to guarantee new rights or build new programs. Democrats’ priorities are generally to build new things, Republicans’ are to obstruct or destroy.
The Inflation Reduction Act is the single largest clean energy policy ever enacted. Just because Democrats are blocked from achieving all of their goals doesn’t mean they are accomplishing nothing.
Look at the US’s historic natural gas production, and the expected natural gas production for the following decade. Now tell me again about how much democrats care about climate.
Hey look guys! In 30 years the Ds did a thing! That totally balances out the 100s of things the Rs have done in the same time!
You said it yourself “they’re blocked from achieving their goals”. The best supercar in the world is outrun by a toddler if it has no gas. I’d rather vote for a toddler than the guy claiming “we’ll have gas soon. Just as soon as we convince the gas station to sell it to us and the bank to honor our card and…”
I pointed out one recent, big accomplishment. If you’re genuinely unaware of anything else they’ve done, you’re welcome to read some of the lengthy lists others have posted in these comments.
You’re literally the one who said that since 1993 they have only had 6 months of actual unopposed power. You’re literally the person saying “In the last 3 decades, the Democrats have only had the ability to do anything for a grand total of 6 months.”
How the fuck isn’t that an ineffectual party? Would you go to a doctor that can only help you for 6 months out of 30 YEARS? But somehow this is okay when talking about the Democrats? You’re not immediately thinking “well what have these jackasses been doing this whole time?”.
Cus you absolutely should. And if you’re only answer is “well the Rs are better at it than them”, you either have to change tactics or find another team. You’ve already admitted you’re the losers.
Going back to the car metaphor: you’re over here complaining that you could do so many things with your supercar, if only the Rs would let you have some gas. Meanwhile, there are electric supercars being built that don’t need gas. A completely different avenue to take. Instead of fighting for gas, you just build the best electric supercar instead and outrun them.
The Dems are over here begging for gas when there are plenty of other parties building that electric supercar.
I did not say that. I said that the 6 month window was the only time they could pass one specific thing: codifying Roe. As I said in another comment, Democrats may not be able to accomplish every priority due to GOP obstruction, but they have still been able to pass substantial, significant legislation. Not to mention some executive actions like DACA to give protection to Dreamers.
So who are you voting for in November?