• Victoria Antoinette
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    146 months ago

    keeping Palestinians in open air prisons, requiring travel permits to go between concentration camps, which are often denied, and controlling the flow of good in and out of those camps while allowing the systemic encroachment on the west bank is, yeah, extermination. add onto it an ai-powered murder campaign and we can all see history repeating

    • @sabin
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      -236 months ago

      Open air prisons? With a population density less than that of a typical american city? Malnutrition wasn’t even a problem before the war. This open air prison narrative is just pure bullshit.

      As for “controlling the flow of goods in and out” you have absolutely no legs to stand on. Even with import inspections in place Hamas has been consistently firing rockets into Israel hoping to murder random civilians since their inception.

        • @sabin
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          -106 months ago

          “For years before the latest war, Gaza was subject to an Israeli blockade, backed by Egypt. Under the blockade, humanitarian aid, including food and commercial imports, was tightly restricted. Even so, levels of malnutrition among Gaza’s roughly 2.2 million people were low and comparable to those of countries in the region.”

          https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/11/world/middleeast/gaza-famine-hunger-crisis.html

          Straight from the mouth of a cretin who regurgitates the same bullshit talking points you do, so presumably you should have no problem trusting them.

          • Victoria Antoinette
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            76 months ago

            it had been in decline since Israel walled them off and took all the good cropland, leaving them at the mercy of foreign aid, which itself is restricted by… you’re not going to believe this… israel

      • Victoria Antoinette
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        86 months ago

        Even with import inspections in place Hamas has been consistently firing rockets into Israel hoping to murder random civilians since their inception.

        this doesn’t mean israel didn’t have them under seige.

        • @sabin
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          -106 months ago

          The point is that Israel had a damn good reason to have the strip “under siege”.

          Did you expect them to just sit there and do nothing to prevent them from overwhelming the iron dome??? What the fuck is wrong with you

      • Victoria Antoinette
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        66 months ago

        Open air prisons? With a population density less than that of a typical american city?

        this isnt a rebuttal

      • @Keeponstalin
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        6 months ago

        While Increased movement is a positive trend, it has not yet been translated into meaningful improvements in humanitarian indicators; a full lifting of the blockade is required, among other solutions to the root causes. As of July 2022, the food insecurity rate in Gaza was 65 per cent, up from 62.2 per cent in June 2021, and the poverty rate stood at 65 per cent, up from 59 per cent in 2021

        Gaza Policy Forum summary: Experts agree that Israel’s dual-use policy causes acute distress

        • @sabin
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          06 months ago

          "a full lifting of the blockade is required "

          In other words “Hamas must be allowed to import whatever armaments they desire”

          Go check yourself into the hospital for brain damage if you think this is remotely tenable.

          If you wanted to argue that they should just allow more food in or something I might have been able to have a conversation with you but clearly you just want to see Jews being indiscriminately murdered.

          • @Keeponstalin
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            16 months ago

            I’m an advocate for a Bi-National Secular State with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis. You are literally advocating for the starving of Palestinian children and the deliberate de-development of Gaza. One of the many types of systemic violence used to maintain an Apartheid State.

            After the founding of Israel, where over 750,000 Palestinians for ethnically cleansed, were the Two-State Solutions were utilized to further annex the Palestinian Occupied Territories and enact military control over Palestinians while denying them human and civil rights. This is apartheid. Despite this, both Fatah and Hamas have accepted a Two-State Solution on the 1967 borders, with the two most important factors being the Right of Return of Palestinian refugees and an end to the permanent occupation.

            Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ

            History of peace process - The Intercept

            Israel has had control of Gaza with the occupation and blockade since 1967, enforcing policies for the de-development of Gaza’s economy. The Israeli imposed closure on Gaza began in 1991, temporarily, becoming permanent in 1993. The barrier began around Gaza around 1972.

            With the Blockade, Israel controls all the sea, airspace, and border. Fishermen can’t fish outside of 6-12 nautical miles before getting arrested or shot. Israel controls all travel in and out of Gaza. Over 60% of people were already food insecure before October 7th because Israel deliberately restricts food entering Gaza. Israel’s policies of Water control left everyone in Gaza with half the water of the emergency WHO standards, now significantly less. Internationally, Gaza is recognized as Occupied.

            Israel has shut off all food, water, electricity, and aid to Gaza. Because as occupiers they have that power over occupied territories. They’ve also repeatedly targeted refugee camps, hospitals, safe zones, and aid trucks.

            “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly"

            • Minister of Defense - Yoav Gallant

            The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

            Israel claims it is no longer occupying the Gaza Strip. What does international law say?

            The Gaza Strip − why the history of the densely populated enclave is key to understanding the current conflict