The panic is starting as the reality that the war is lost sets in - Lemmygrad
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What I have learned:

  • Russia has already won the Ukraine war
  • Which NATO started
  • A lot of people in the West think that Ukraine should surrender
  • Also Ukraine was the world’s main provider of CSAM
  • Also Ukraine is exploited by the West but if they can unite with Russia then their economy and everything else will finally be alright

It’s literally like a bizarro world and everyone is over there agreeing with it. I’m genuinely confused by, who even are these people (what is the mixture of Russian bots / Russian-aligned ordinary people / confused Westerners / some other explanation.)

  • @[email protected]English
    0•6 months ago

    But surely it is possible to see which direction they are moving, or not moving.

    It doesn’t matter where the frontline goes in a war of attrition, it matters what resources you have. This is why Ukraine is loosing, it has a manpower problem, the only resources the west can not help with.

    Yeah just like the US depleted those Vietnamese forces so effectively for so long and that was the key to their victory.

    Ukraine is not North Vietnam. I’m sorry to repeat myself but Ukraine has a man power problem, people don’t want to die for this cause. If anything, they more resemble South Vietnam, and we all know how that ended.

    Dude now you’re just saying talking points.

    Sure it’s a talking point, but it’s also true. Seeing Ursula von der Leyen advocate for war crimes in Gaza with the same vigor as supporting escalation in Ukraine makes me skeptical of her motives. Same goes for Blinken crying about Ukrainian civilian casualties and saying dead children are the price of war about Palestinians, kinda makes you wonder. And they make the decisions, not random guys and gals on Lemmy.

    Want no escalation? Pack your shit, get back across the border.

    I’m not Russian, I have no power over what they do. Peace is complicated, and requires living with injustice, but in return you spare a lot of suffering from happening.

    Sorry to be rude about it again.

    I mean I can rude as well. If you think this conflict is truly worth dying for, then go there, and go die.

    • mozzOP
      2•6 months ago

      Ursula von der Leyen

      Blinken

      Surely “Anthony Blinken is full of shit sometimes” is something we can find some common ground on. I’ve never heard of this other person and her saying something dumb will not impact my assessment of whether Ukraine (or, for that matter, Palestine) should be allowed to defend themselves.

      I think mostly we are talking in circles at this point. Ultimately it doesn’t really matter what you or I say about it; what plays out on the ground will play out on the ground whatever anyone’s typed assessment of the conflict on the internet says.

      I can agree with a certain amount of the framing that Western governments as a whole sadly don’t really give much of a shit about Ukrainian casualties and the overall outcome for the country. But I’ve spoken with and read from a large enough handful of Ukrainians that I am confident that your assessment of their feelings about the conflict is very wrong.