Points for consideration, there were a handful of ships full of Jews during WW2 seeking asylum. It’s widely believed that world leaders knew of or suspected that the Holocaust was murdering Jews around the time those boats were rejected for asylum.
Additionally, even after people knew the details of the Holocaust people still didn’t really like Jews.
how would you account for those points?
also thank you for engaging with me on this. I’m genuinely enjoying our conversation!
Everything you’re saying really just supports the fact that the nations of the time were handling the situation in a wildly immoral way, and the creation of Israel as an ethnostate was part and parcel of that immorality, and remains highly consequential to this date.
There’s no point asking me as an individual how I would personally have solved the crisis if I could travel back in time, because one person can’t unilaterally force a nation to do anything without being a dictator, and people don’t become dictators without doing horrible things.
What matters is recognizing that the Israel of today came to exist out of two factors:
Wealthy and influential Zionists wanted to claim Palestinian land by any means possible to further enrich themselves.
Other nations wanted somewhere to send as many Jewish people as possible because they were antisemitic and didn’t like refugees.
Now we’re stuck dealing with the consequences of our idiot racist ancestors. Let’s just try our best to not be overtly idiotic or racist ourselves (racist, for example, by turning a blind eye to the genocide happening to Palestinians, as if they’re not even human beings, or idiotic by thinking that there’s any justification for Israel’s insanely disproportionate use of force).
Just to be clear, I’m not accusing you specifically of being racist or idiotic, I’m just describing my general position on things.
Additionally, even after people knew the details of the Holocaust people still didn’t really like Jews.
That’s not really entirely true. You forgot that the Great Depression was in full swing at the time, many reasoned that accepting a large amount of asylum seekers would further destabilize an already unstable economy.
Maybe creating an ethno-state wasn’t the best way to prevent genocide after all?
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About what I expected.
The genocide needs to stop. Support BDS and No Thanks.
I’m just talking about history context.
The historical context is Western settler-colonialism.
That’s a fair take, put yourself in that timeframe. WW2 just ended, you’re one of the world leaders and you learned all about the “final solution”.
what do you do? how do you prevent another genocide of the Jews?
Give them sanctuary with protected status in your own country rather than driving other people out of some other country.
Bit of an idealistic answer but I like it.
Points for consideration, there were a handful of ships full of Jews during WW2 seeking asylum. It’s widely believed that world leaders knew of or suspected that the Holocaust was murdering Jews around the time those boats were rejected for asylum.
Additionally, even after people knew the details of the Holocaust people still didn’t really like Jews.
how would you account for those points?
also thank you for engaging with me on this. I’m genuinely enjoying our conversation!
Everything you’re saying really just supports the fact that the nations of the time were handling the situation in a wildly immoral way, and the creation of Israel as an ethnostate was part and parcel of that immorality, and remains highly consequential to this date.
There’s no point asking me as an individual how I would personally have solved the crisis if I could travel back in time, because one person can’t unilaterally force a nation to do anything without being a dictator, and people don’t become dictators without doing horrible things.
What matters is recognizing that the Israel of today came to exist out of two factors:
Now we’re stuck dealing with the consequences of our idiot racist ancestors. Let’s just try our best to not be overtly idiotic or racist ourselves (racist, for example, by turning a blind eye to the genocide happening to Palestinians, as if they’re not even human beings, or idiotic by thinking that there’s any justification for Israel’s insanely disproportionate use of force).
Just to be clear, I’m not accusing you specifically of being racist or idiotic, I’m just describing my general position on things.
That’s not really entirely true. You forgot that the Great Depression was in full swing at the time, many reasoned that accepting a large amount of asylum seekers would further destabilize an already unstable economy.
Zionism did not start with WW2. Nor the migration of jews to Mandatory Palestine.
I’m aware of this fact. thanks.
While I agree the liberals are problematic currently on Palestine, Zionists and fascists will not divide and conquer Canada.
Alright, cleaned up take at least
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Yeah, our government has been an absolute joke lately. We do have our fair share of neo nazis but that incident was pure incompetence.