Oh so we had president Gore? We can talk all day about recounts, but we did not have president Gore. You realllllyy don’t want to deal with that huh. Probably because of the next part: it was the third party voters that cost Gore the election. Thanks 3rd party voters!
The Dems shifting to the right doesn’t have anything to do with finding votes - it’s all about finding the money.
Lol they want to win elections, and that means voters.
As you rightly point out, Dems are terrible at politics
Lol I didn’t say that. At this point, well we’ll see what else I’ll bother replying to.
At the end of the day, the election is won by VOTERS. All this refusing to vote in protest and voting 3rd party in protest that I see so often is what costs Dems elections. And the hilarious part is, these protest votes and protest no-votes end up being wildly counter productive. They give the election to Bush and Trump, and guess what happens to the Overton window when that happens? The whole thing moves right.
So we’re down to: What do you, the informed left wing (I assume) voter do to move things left? What you can do is vote Dems. Give them consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose they go to the center to find, wait for it, VOTES.
I think your reading comprehension may be hampered by your fixation on a 2 party system. Gore won the election, but had the presidency stolen from him by the media and Supreme Court.
In the recent elections which have had some of the highest turnout of voters over the time period we’re discussing, at most an abysmal 38% of eligible voters voted.
Perhaps consider that it’s the misguided policies Dems maintain in order to pursue those delicious legal bribe monies, as opposed to 3rd party candidates trying to do the right thing, that are costing the Dems election results. Blaming voters for actually exercising their right to vote is wholly undemocratic.
So, as an informed left wing voter who wishes to see more progressive policies enacted, I would pressure the Dems from the left to abandon those conservative policy positions if they want my vote. I would then vote for someone else if they maintain policies inconsistent with my beliefs. That’s how democracy works.
Oh did I ruffle your feathers so you have to attack me? We did not have President Gore. You realllllyyyyyy don’t want to deal with this huh. You look to blame everything rather than admit the 3rd party voters cost Gore the election.
misguided policies Dems
Lol Everytime they go a little bit left they lose the election. I’m clued into how you deal with that now: you try to blame everything rather than admit the voters that didn’t show up.
I think I’m right on the money with that too, because you are clearly thinking about that exact word “blame”. I’m saying the voters didn’t show up, or they voted 3rd party, which costs the election. You can kinda say that’s blame but it’s not nearly the extent you go.
You’re running around everything (Gore, policies, funding to the point you call it a bribe lol) trying to blame everything on the system or the Dems or whatever.
Blaming voters for actually exercising their right to vote is wholly undemocratic.
Yeah not the same as “undemocratic”. This is why I think you’re fixated on blame, you’re now extending this to “undemocratic” so that you can blame me. Quite enlightening now that I see that.You can vote however you want. You tried something similar last time when you put words in my mouth.
What I’m saying that if you want things to go to the left, if you want your vote to be productive, if you want your vote to move policy to the left (over time), if you want your vote to move the Overton window, then this is what you do: you vote for the Dems. If you want things to move to the left, you give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose they go to the center to find votes.
Oh so we had president Gore? We can talk all day about recounts, but we did not have president Gore. You realllllyy don’t want to deal with that huh. Probably because of the next part: it was the third party voters that cost Gore the election. Thanks 3rd party voters!
Lol they want to win elections, and that means voters.
Lol I didn’t say that. At this point, well we’ll see what else I’ll bother replying to.
At the end of the day, the election is won by VOTERS. All this refusing to vote in protest and voting 3rd party in protest that I see so often is what costs Dems elections. And the hilarious part is, these protest votes and protest no-votes end up being wildly counter productive. They give the election to Bush and Trump, and guess what happens to the Overton window when that happens? The whole thing moves right.
So we’re down to: What do you, the informed left wing (I assume) voter do to move things left? What you can do is vote Dems. Give them consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose they go to the center to find, wait for it, VOTES.
I think your reading comprehension may be hampered by your fixation on a 2 party system. Gore won the election, but had the presidency stolen from him by the media and Supreme Court.
In the recent elections which have had some of the highest turnout of voters over the time period we’re discussing, at most an abysmal 38% of eligible voters voted.
Perhaps consider that it’s the misguided policies Dems maintain in order to pursue those delicious legal bribe monies, as opposed to 3rd party candidates trying to do the right thing, that are costing the Dems election results. Blaming voters for actually exercising their right to vote is wholly undemocratic.
So, as an informed left wing voter who wishes to see more progressive policies enacted, I would pressure the Dems from the left to abandon those conservative policy positions if they want my vote. I would then vote for someone else if they maintain policies inconsistent with my beliefs. That’s how democracy works.
Oh did I ruffle your feathers so you have to attack me? We did not have President Gore. You realllllyyyyyy don’t want to deal with this huh. You look to blame everything rather than admit the 3rd party voters cost Gore the election.
Lol Everytime they go a little bit left they lose the election. I’m clued into how you deal with that now: you try to blame everything rather than admit the voters that didn’t show up.
I think I’m right on the money with that too, because you are clearly thinking about that exact word “blame”. I’m saying the voters didn’t show up, or they voted 3rd party, which costs the election. You can kinda say that’s blame but it’s not nearly the extent you go.
You’re running around everything (Gore, policies, funding to the point you call it a bribe lol) trying to blame everything on the system or the Dems or whatever.
Yeah not the same as “undemocratic”. This is why I think you’re fixated on blame, you’re now extending this to “undemocratic” so that you can blame me. Quite enlightening now that I see that.You can vote however you want. You tried something similar last time when you put words in my mouth.
What I’m saying that if you want things to go to the left, if you want your vote to be productive, if you want your vote to move policy to the left (over time), if you want your vote to move the Overton window, then this is what you do: you vote for the Dems. If you want things to move to the left, you give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose they go to the center to find votes.
I’ll double check to see what chain this is, I gave a history that you should read. Ah l’ll just give it https://lemmy.world/comment/10617871