• @PugJesusEnglish
    67•5 months ago

    Holy fuck, looking down through, how the hell do you not find these removals reasonable? “Poland forgave the Nazis for genocide, but not the Russians for a bloodless invasion”? A bloodless invasion?! “Poland were the REAL Nazis, the Soviets had to invade them”!? “You’re just a racist Nazi Pole”!? What the ever-loving fuck.

    • @MaalusEnglish
      32•5 months ago

      I was the guy that was called a nazi pole in that thread. I posted multiple links to counter the “bloodless invasion” bullcrap which they completely ignored to call me a racist nazi. No response to Katyn for instance. Total stonewalling, like they were having their own conversation that didn’t include me.

      • @[email protected]English
        17•5 months ago

        The shills don’t want a real debate, they want to frustrate, waste time, and distract you from engagement with a real person or in a more visible comment.

      • @[email protected]OPEnglish
        10•5 months ago

        I learned about the Katyn massacre from your comments. Horrifying.

        they completely ignored to call me a racist nazi

        Yes, I just read the whole thread again, that was completely unnecessary. I guess they just implied that you hated Russians based on your criticism of USSR actions.

        • sunzu
          9•5 months ago

          Anyone who has a border with Russia hates them…

          Russia is never reformed its governance that it has inherited from mongols and we see this reflected in their foreign policy today.

    • @[email protected]OPEnglish
      6•5 months ago

      For the sake of this discussion, I went back to the 800 comments thread and found the actual exchange on that topic.

      It starts here: https://lemmy.world/comment/10475023

      Tl:dr: Polish commenter is upset at banned user for

      • categorizing the impact of the Poland invasion by USSR as “bloodless”
      • denying that USSR and Germany were allies
      • pointing out that there were Nazis in Poland

      On the other hand, banned users is upset at the Polish commenter for

      Before WW2, Poland was pretty antisemitic. In the 1930s, for instance, youth nationalist movements had advocated for “ghetto benches”, so Jews couldn’t sit with Poles in university classrooms, following growing violence against Jewish university students. Which given the rising tide of antisemitism in Europe, wasn’t exactly shocking, but antisemitism did certainly exist in Polish society. It’s certainly different than American university antisemitism of the era, which was limited to quotas (which were sometimes only subtly enforced)–Poland didn’t have university quotas at all for several years after WW1, but they returned.

      During the war, a great deal of the Holocaust was perpetrated and assisted by local collaborators. However, this was much more common in other countries, like Ukraine and Lithuania, than in Poland.

      And after the war, there were incidents of antisemitic violence among Poles. The most famous is the Kielce Pogrom. These effectively ensured that survivors would not return, barring any chance at a revival of Jewish life in Eastern Europe post-war.

      On this subject, I would highly recommend Antony Polonsky’s My Brother’s Keeper: Recent Polish Debates on the Holocaust, which is a discussion of essays/articles/etc which were written in the 80s when a flurry of debates/discussions on this subject in Poland occurred.

      Reading the whole thread again, there doesn’t seem to be much “harassment” as stated in the modlog, as much as a heated debate between the two parties.

      From a lemmy.ml user perspective (which I’m not), I could see why they would complain about a political bias against the USSR.

      One potential improvement point might be for mods to add historical sources to why they consider a comment misinformation. Also, banning this type of users and removing those comments (and leaving the others) might lead to an echo chamber effect on lemmy.world (mirroring the one on lemmy.ml).