• Flying Squid
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    28 days ago

    I see people vaping all over the place. If their goal was to shut down the industry, that sounds like a failure to me.

    This also sounds like a failure of their goal:

    Reported sales of cartridge products increased from $2.133 billion in 2020 to $2.496 billion in 2021; sales of disposable, non-refillable e-cigarette products increased from $261.9 million in 2020 to $267.1 million in 2021.

    https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-issues-third-report-e-cigarette-advertising-sales-us

    Generally, profits of an industry the government is shutting down don’t go up.

    • @[email protected]
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      28 days ago

      Sure the industry is gaining money, but you’re ignoring specific company shutdowns and restrictions that shaped the industry out of the hands of certain players. There have been a lot of regulatory fingers in the pie, particularly above state level, that weren’t aimed at making the populace safer but instead at making those companies unable to produce or sell their most popular products. There’s also a lot of legal language bites like “e-cigarette” and “open container” that are seeing non-uniform interpretation in legal states, across vape legislature and cannabis legislature alike.

      Draconic legislature isn’t quite turning the country into a hellscape for consumers, sure. But it’s clearly a possible side effect that isn’t being considered, especially as states are beginning to take it upon themselves to start outlawing studied hemp-derived cannabinoids (like delta8/10 or THC-P or THC-A) that are provided for under the 2018 farm bill.

      Tl;Dr while the industry is growing, it’s clear it has enemies with legal power and that’s the crux of the complaint.

      • Flying Squid
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        48 days ago

        Okay, but this is what OP said:

        the whole point of the FDA taking over cannabis is the same as nicotine vaping

        shut down the industry with over regulation that sounds positive on the surface

        The vaping industry has not been shut down, it’s growing, as I demonstrated. So, again, if that was their goal, it was a spectacular failure.

        • @[email protected]
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          7 days ago

          Cool restatement. Did you actually read what I posted instead of snipping that post though? I acknowledge it isn’t working, but you can CLEARLY see intent of decisions there skewed toward market control of a new industry, especially based on the similarities (Product control focused on appeal, not risk) of legislature brought forward compared to previous concerns

          • Flying Squid
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            07 days ago

            I wasn’t quoting you, I was quoting what OP said and why I responded to it the way I did. OP claimed the goal was to shut the vaping industry down. I showed why that wasn’t true. It’s not my fault if you responded to me with some unrelated point.

            • @[email protected]
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              16 days ago

              You don’t understand my point and you wanted to dunk on someone, it’s cool. Keep posting every 2 minutes without actually reading, I’m sure the karma is good for something dude

              • Flying Squid
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                16 days ago

                Since your point was unrelated to mine, the only thing I don’t understand is why you replied to me about it.