I actually like Papa Blueberry getting to wake up and say “What the fuck” to really emphasize that even the ancient space crusader thinks this future is FUCKED, but I have no faith in Gee Dubs to go anywhere worthwhile with it.
Leadership and progress and hope are all things that have no place in 40k. Guilliman is a noble person who brings these things in amounts uncomfortable for the setting. Therefore he has no place in 40k. He needs to exist only as a long dead legend that people wish they had, but he is gone- just one more piece of hope that can’t be brought back.
Gulliman waking up and being absolutely shocked at the sight of things only works if he is immediately put back into stasis by the high lords for their own petty reasons, but that’s not happening so the entire tone of 40k has shifted with him being awake and in charge. Not just with him, but he is something easy to point at as an example.
More people getting into 40k think the Imperium are “the good guys” because while the set dressing of candles and power armor and gothic buildings are still around, the insane mindset of the people in 40k has been softened, at least in presentation quite a lot in enough ways that it is understandable why people new to 40k now think humanity is good.
To be entirely fair, the nature of 40k as a vehicle for selling miniatures (and thus changing with the tastes of the market, or what the execs think the market likes) has meant that its tone has changed radically over the years. But that’s really the trouble with a long-running universe without a clear guiding vision. Everyone scrapes together bits and pieces from the era they got into it, and then looks at that as the ‘truest’ version of the universe.
For what it’s worth, I’m generally in agreement that the grimdarkness of the grimdark future is what sets 40k most apart from other settings, and trying to shift that over to a more Warhammer Fantasy tone of “Things are BAD but there are still people Fighting The Good Fight” isn’t the right direction to take it. Especially after trying to kill off Warhammer Fantasy. I love Ciaphias Cain, but his popularity is a contributor to this too.
I still remember my introductions to 40k - a demo disc with Dawn of War on it, and subsequently, when enthusing to a friend about it, being shown a hodgepodge of collectibles and a Tyranid rulebook which had BIG fucking Aliens vibes. Good shit. Remorseless fanatics, lost and brutalized worlds, warrior-monks of a religion of war (but not blind berserking rage), hardened conscripts against horrors they only dimly glanced? Fuck, that was such a new and novel aesthetic. I was entranced from the start.
I actually like Papa Blueberry getting to wake up and say “What the fuck” to really emphasize that even the ancient space crusader thinks this future is FUCKED, but I have no faith in Gee Dubs to go anywhere worthwhile with it.
Leadership and progress and hope are all things that have no place in 40k. Guilliman is a noble person who brings these things in amounts uncomfortable for the setting. Therefore he has no place in 40k. He needs to exist only as a long dead legend that people wish they had, but he is gone- just one more piece of hope that can’t be brought back.
Gulliman waking up and being absolutely shocked at the sight of things only works if he is immediately put back into stasis by the high lords for their own petty reasons, but that’s not happening so the entire tone of 40k has shifted with him being awake and in charge. Not just with him, but he is something easy to point at as an example.
More people getting into 40k think the Imperium are “the good guys” because while the set dressing of candles and power armor and gothic buildings are still around, the insane mindset of the people in 40k has been softened, at least in presentation quite a lot in enough ways that it is understandable why people new to 40k now think humanity is good.
To be entirely fair, the nature of 40k as a vehicle for selling miniatures (and thus changing with the tastes of the market, or what the execs think the market likes) has meant that its tone has changed radically over the years. But that’s really the trouble with a long-running universe without a clear guiding vision. Everyone scrapes together bits and pieces from the era they got into it, and then looks at that as the ‘truest’ version of the universe.
For what it’s worth, I’m generally in agreement that the grimdarkness of the grimdark future is what sets 40k most apart from other settings, and trying to shift that over to a more Warhammer Fantasy tone of “Things are BAD but there are still people Fighting The Good Fight” isn’t the right direction to take it. Especially after trying to kill off Warhammer Fantasy. I love Ciaphias Cain, but his popularity is a contributor to this too.
I still remember my introductions to 40k - a demo disc with Dawn of War on it, and subsequently, when enthusing to a friend about it, being shown a hodgepodge of collectibles and a Tyranid rulebook which had BIG fucking Aliens vibes. Good shit. Remorseless fanatics, lost and brutalized worlds, warrior-monks of a religion of war (but not blind berserking rage), hardened conscripts against horrors they only dimly glanced? Fuck, that was such a new and novel aesthetic. I was entranced from the start.