• @Apollo42
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        35 months ago

        Thanks, but I believed you that he said it, I was asking for any sort of source to back it up. The argument he makes in that interview is terrible and should in no way inform your opinion unless you have actual evidence to back it up.

          • @Apollo42
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            05 months ago

            You talk about the forests of scotland, the vast majority of these are monoculture plantations with absolutely terrible biodiversity. By far the largest producers of meat in scotland are factory farms where animals are fed using things like soy, only a minority of livestock entering the food market are reared anything like sustainably.

            There is nowhere near enough land to grass feed the amount of ruminants that we consume, so feed crops need to be grown or imported.

            • @Aux
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              05 months ago

              You’re just plain wrong.

                • @Aux
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                  05 months ago

                  Everything. Apart from monoculture forests. But it’s better this way than no forests at all just a century ago.

            • Victoria Antoinette
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              05 months ago

              the vast majority of the soy fed to animals is the byproduct of pressing soybeans for oil.

              • @Apollo42
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                5 months ago

                Cart before horse - before industrial scale animal farming relatively little soy oil was produced for human consumption. If we weren’t growing soy to use it mostly for animal feed we would grow things like palm oil, which grows in the same climate and yields something like 14x as many calories per acre on the same land.

                https://www.soyinfocenter.com/HSS/soybean_crushing1.php

                Edit: Or instead of growing soy with the objective of making animal feed (with the added bonus of getting some oil from it) we could grow crops which have far higher calorific yields like maize, potatoes etc.

                • Victoria Antoinette
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                  05 months ago

                  I don’t think palm rotates with corn, so I don’t believe it would be grown instead of soy beans.

                  • @Apollo42
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                    15 months ago

                    Which would be an argument against using palm instead of soy if we grew soy primarily for its oil, rather than gaining the oil as a byproduct of growing soy to feed animals.

      • @[email protected]
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        15 months ago

        I’m open to any answer in this; but I think he misses the point here that every animal in itself would need a field of grass in food volume to survive.

        No matter how you put it, it seems to me that adding an extra animal to the equation requires more food/water/space, not less.

        • @Aux
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          05 months ago

          When you’re adding a cow to an existing wild field, the field and its inhabitants don’t disappear. When you start planting crops in that field, you destroy the whole associated ecosystem.