• Flying SquidOP
    link
    995 months ago

    I have seen multiple images like this and I always like them:

    • @UnderpantsWeevil
      link
      265 months ago

      That can’t be right. The Garden of Eden is in Daviess County, Missouri

    • @Klear
      link
      215 months ago

      My headcanon is that the Old Testament was a god specifically of the Jews and some upstart god took over (possibly after murdering him) in the New Testament days and then proceeded to spread his influence to non-jewish people while aggressively eliminating any opposition. Wherease in the old days people believed in various gods, this one started of campaign of montheism, depriving the rest of them of faith and eliminating them one by one. Nowadays he’s kicking and screaming because the rise of atheism in many parts of the world which used to be his strongold is depriving him of energy and thus he finally faces annihilation.

        • @Klear
          link
          85 months ago

          Indeed. The headcanon part is the whole hijacking part.

          Truth be told, it makes perfect sense for religions as a whole following some type of evolutionary path and that a religion that actively tries to eliminate other faith would be one to eventually gain dominance. I’m more surprised that it seems to have happened fairly late and perhaps just once? There’s probably others similar to the judeo-christian tradition that ended up falling short of their conquest, but still.

      • @UnderpantsWeevil
        link
        75 months ago

        The Old Testament doesn’t even get to proper Jews until Genesis 32:22-31 when Jacob wrestles an angel to win God’s eternal blessing for his offspring.

      • @Cryophilia
        link
        45 months ago

        That’s not headcanon, that’s canon canon. The first bit anyway.

        If I was to describe Abrahamic religions to pre-Abrahamic polytheist societies, I’d tell about a powerful, jealous god from the desert that murdered the other gods and took command of most of the world.

    • Jilanico
      link
      English
      185 months ago

      Are mecca and medina even in that circle? Yemen definitely isn’t. Image is definitely false.

        • @WoahWoah
          link
          55 months ago

          Maybe it never existed, and it was just the friends we mecca-long the way.

        • @StaySquared
          link
          05 months ago

          Wat. I think you’re talking about the two different names for the same location… Mecca is in its correct location. Where the Kaaba is.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            -35 months ago

            Did you read the link I posted, cause if you had you would have found out there is little to no archeological evidence that Mecca’s current location matches its historical one.

            • Jilanico
              link
              English
              65 months ago

              The article you mentioned tries to be balanced with point and counterpoint. There are some sweeping assumptions being made in that article as well.

              I will say that if Mecca was Petra, many historical events occurring between mecca and medina become impossible. Battle of Badr, Uhud, etc. The tribes involved in the above events also didn’t reside in Petra.

              It comes across as an outsider’s fun little thought experiment. Very orientalist in its approach.

          • @mildlyusedbrain
            link
            15 months ago

            Do you know why there are sources discussing that it isn’t? Admittedly can’t really even find something reliable worth citing but see some historical Islam groups discussing Makka and Bakka as mentioned in the Quran and attributes to modern Mecca. But this doesn’t seem to be in any mainstream articles or easily found academic paper

            I’m not really familiar with the subject but curious what’s the nuance I’m missing since it feels like there’s a weird historical debate here I’d like to read up on

            • Jilanico
              link
              English
              75 months ago

              I’m not sure. It’s the first I’ve ever heard of it. The Western academic approach to Islamic studies is historically rooted in refuting Islam’s credibility instead of objectively studying it, so you’ll hear all sorts of wild assertions and conclusions that would make a five year old Muslim laugh. It may be improving these days, but I don’t keep current with this stuff. Anyways, Mecca is literally in the Arabic text of the Quran, so it’s not some translator filling in the gaps with interpretation: