I guess you would have been one of the folks confused by the Dead Kennedys back in the day, if you find satire so threatening that you’re talking about violent retribution.
Hell yeah! If you aren’t familiar with the some, they were trolling folks with “I Kill Children” to lampoon folks swept up in moral panics: it feels all to relevant today, given the moral panic around LGBTQ+ folks.
IMO you should post the videos. The context might make which case it is clearer, or at least rule out or confirm the “they are making fun of people who believe this” possibility.
The whole thing is just too absurd to do anything other than not take it seriously. Like I’m skeptical of pretty much everything you said there other than the drag queen part (though are schools hiring them or are some volunteering to do a reading thing for kids?).
Do you have any examples of that homosexual erotica in school libraries? That statement about teachers teaching kids things that have nothing to do with actual education is very broad and vague, but some examples would also be helpful, along with being more specific since that statement would include random trivia a teacher might mention for fun and parts of the curriculum that have debatable usefulness (like cursive writing), which I don’t think you’re talking about.
And drag queens are just men in dresses or other women’s clothing. The purpose of their reading thing is for them to provide a good service for children to specifically show that they aren’t evil delinquents who will predate children at any opportunity.
I wish it was that easy to protect children from predators, just picking some bad groups of others and putting a fence between them and our children. But just like a man wearing a dress or being interested in other males doesn’t imply they will be interested in children, a man not wearing a dress or being interested in other males doesn’t imply that they aren’t interested in children.
The reality is that we need to pay attention and communicate with our kids, and most importantly educate them about sexual stuff so that they can know to tell us if something does happen to them. Don’t you see that keeping them ignorant about all this stuff means that it leaves room for a groomer or molester to “educate” them? That treating homosexuality the same as actual sexual crimes when it’s not a choice could mean some gay people will decide it’s no big deal to predate children since they are already “doing evil” just by being gay?
That first one is trolling. And you might be right about it not being smart to goad on those who fear them as an existential threat, but sometimes people just get to the point where they don’t care about the consequences and just want to give some of the negative feelings they’ve felt back to some of those who gave them to them.
For the second one, did you listen to the song after the “we’re going to convert your kids” bit? Because they aren’t talking about converting anyone gay but converting them to not be hateful about shit that isn’t worth being hateful about.
On that note, I don’t understand how any straight person can even believe that converting people gay is a thing. There’s nothing anyone could say or do that would make men sexually interesting to me. There is no temptation I have to fight, even though I think it’s ok to be gay and that it would double my pool of potential sexual partners.
For the third one, I do struggle with listening to choirs, but the parts that I did catch sounded more like “your children aren’t your property whose thoughts and feelings you should control if they don’t line up with yours” than a “those aren’t your kids, they are ours”. The “through you, not from you” bit did sound more religious (personally, I’d go for more of a “from you but once separated, they are separate”). But I only listened to half of it and was distracted by the comments for part of that so maybe someone else can comment more on that last one.
I hope you aren’t banned for any of this conversation. For what it’s worth, you do seem more genuine about this than most who come to places that are as hostile to your beliefs as this place is. And I don’t think just censoring the other side does anything but polarize anyone’s positions.
When I was in high school we had this whole chant about babies and trash compactors and other edgy shit we thought was the funniest thing. Crazily enough… none of us ever harmed a kid and if anyone would have actually put a baby in harms way where we could see we would have been traumatized.
Ease off the pearls there. A lot of Queer folks make fun of the rhetoric that Conservatives sling around about being bogeymen after kids , particularly during Pride. A rowdy bunch of party people probably high as kites being dumb and edgy isn’t news in most places. Treating the matter as though every single one of us has to be paragons of proper behaviour without exception every moment isn’t exactly a bar any group of people is going to meet. Moreover why should everyone have to be subject to group punishment for an individual’s transgression? If a boss punished everyone at your workplace because one person came in late how would you react?
A lot of the sentiments inside the community are that it doesn’t matter how often we treat everything seriously, speak eloquently or point to actual studies and literature about how we’re just people who are underserved by beaurcratic structures, children are not harmed by association and we are not monsters… All it takes is a couple of people being silly once and suddenly every nasty bigoted fear is confirmed beyond shadow of a doubt… So why bother? It’s an impossible standard.
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I guess you would have been one of the folks confused by the Dead Kennedys back in the day, if you find satire so threatening that you’re talking about violent retribution.
https://youtu.be/sgpa7wEAz7I?si=zD3Idj0UYgoZFQCo
Nah, I fux with Dead Kennedys.
Hell yeah! If you aren’t familiar with the some, they were trolling folks with “I Kill Children” to lampoon folks swept up in moral panics: it feels all to relevant today, given the moral panic around LGBTQ+ folks.
https://youtu.be/TtqPlB-oC4w?si=CXD7m1zUQYY-ghHl
IMO you should post the videos. The context might make which case it is clearer, or at least rule out or confirm the “they are making fun of people who believe this” possibility.
The whole thing is just too absurd to do anything other than not take it seriously. Like I’m skeptical of pretty much everything you said there other than the drag queen part (though are schools hiring them or are some volunteering to do a reading thing for kids?).
Do you have any examples of that homosexual erotica in school libraries? That statement about teachers teaching kids things that have nothing to do with actual education is very broad and vague, but some examples would also be helpful, along with being more specific since that statement would include random trivia a teacher might mention for fun and parts of the curriculum that have debatable usefulness (like cursive writing), which I don’t think you’re talking about.
And drag queens are just men in dresses or other women’s clothing. The purpose of their reading thing is for them to provide a good service for children to specifically show that they aren’t evil delinquents who will predate children at any opportunity.
I wish it was that easy to protect children from predators, just picking some bad groups of others and putting a fence between them and our children. But just like a man wearing a dress or being interested in other males doesn’t imply they will be interested in children, a man not wearing a dress or being interested in other males doesn’t imply that they aren’t interested in children.
The reality is that we need to pay attention and communicate with our kids, and most importantly educate them about sexual stuff so that they can know to tell us if something does happen to them. Don’t you see that keeping them ignorant about all this stuff means that it leaves room for a groomer or molester to “educate” them? That treating homosexuality the same as actual sexual crimes when it’s not a choice could mean some gay people will decide it’s no big deal to predate children since they are already “doing evil” just by being gay?
Welp… more than likely I will be banned and this will be deleted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq1_TZ2g37A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtGv4Q2pzB8
That first one is trolling. And you might be right about it not being smart to goad on those who fear them as an existential threat, but sometimes people just get to the point where they don’t care about the consequences and just want to give some of the negative feelings they’ve felt back to some of those who gave them to them.
For the second one, did you listen to the song after the “we’re going to convert your kids” bit? Because they aren’t talking about converting anyone gay but converting them to not be hateful about shit that isn’t worth being hateful about.
On that note, I don’t understand how any straight person can even believe that converting people gay is a thing. There’s nothing anyone could say or do that would make men sexually interesting to me. There is no temptation I have to fight, even though I think it’s ok to be gay and that it would double my pool of potential sexual partners.
For the third one, I do struggle with listening to choirs, but the parts that I did catch sounded more like “your children aren’t your property whose thoughts and feelings you should control if they don’t line up with yours” than a “those aren’t your kids, they are ours”. The “through you, not from you” bit did sound more religious (personally, I’d go for more of a “from you but once separated, they are separate”). But I only listened to half of it and was distracted by the comments for part of that so maybe someone else can comment more on that last one.
I hope you aren’t banned for any of this conversation. For what it’s worth, you do seem more genuine about this than most who come to places that are as hostile to your beliefs as this place is. And I don’t think just censoring the other side does anything but polarize anyone’s positions.
When you talk to people, or watch movies, do you have a difficult time understanding what they’re talking about ?
When I was in high school we had this whole chant about babies and trash compactors and other edgy shit we thought was the funniest thing. Crazily enough… none of us ever harmed a kid and if anyone would have actually put a baby in harms way where we could see we would have been traumatized.
Ease off the pearls there. A lot of Queer folks make fun of the rhetoric that Conservatives sling around about being bogeymen after kids , particularly during Pride. A rowdy bunch of party people probably high as kites being dumb and edgy isn’t news in most places. Treating the matter as though every single one of us has to be paragons of proper behaviour without exception every moment isn’t exactly a bar any group of people is going to meet. Moreover why should everyone have to be subject to group punishment for an individual’s transgression? If a boss punished everyone at your workplace because one person came in late how would you react?
A lot of the sentiments inside the community are that it doesn’t matter how often we treat everything seriously, speak eloquently or point to actual studies and literature about how we’re just people who are underserved by beaurcratic structures, children are not harmed by association and we are not monsters… All it takes is a couple of people being silly once and suddenly every nasty bigoted fear is confirmed beyond shadow of a doubt… So why bother? It’s an impossible standard.