• @thefrankring
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    -94 months ago

    You sound like someone that never worked in his entire life.

    I hope I’m wrong.

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      54 months ago

      You’re very wrong, and failed to address any of my arguments or back your own claims up, it’s jusy vibes and mysticism.

      • @thefrankring
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        -74 months ago

        I didn’t fail to address any argument.

        If you actually worked at least once in your life, you would understand the value of working, making money, competency and being useful to society.

        I think you’re coping because you’re useless and incompetent. You’re using socialism as an escape mechanism.

        • @freshcow
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          54 months ago

          You clearly have a misconception of what socialism is. Socialism does not mean sit around and collect benefits from the government. It means that workers (yes, people who WORK) own the means of production, rather than the do-nothing capitalist class which makes money parasitically from simply owning things.

          • @thefrankring
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            On a fundamental level, socialism encourages it. And you, you seem to have a misconception of what capitalism is and how money works.

            Yes, the best and most effective way to make money is by owning things and hiring people, and letting them work for you. I own a business myself.

            You call it ‘parasite’ and that can be true to an extent when it turns evil and only profit-driven.

            If you choose to be a normal wage worker that doesn’t own anything, then yeah, capitalism is probably not for you. You’ll be stuck in an endless rat race and feel like a slave all your life.

            My advice is to stop trading your time for money and start owning things that generate money for you.

            That’s why I think a healthy balance of both socialism and capitalism is optimal.

            • Cowbee [he/him]
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              24 months ago

              “My advice is simply to not be poor and become a member of the tiny owner class, like me, that practices wage slavery on the vast majority of the rest of society. 👍”

              You can’t make this up

              • @thefrankring
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                I don’t practice wage slavery. I do have my own business, and I don’t even have employees. I use technology and softwares as leverage.

                And I’m not part of the 1% either. Far from it.

                But I understand that to make money, you have to understand how money operates and work for it.

                I don’t think expecting the government to pay and provide for everything is a good solution.

                The gov should definitely take care of some things, but not everything. Some things should be accountable to the individuals themselves.

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                  Cool, so you’re a self-proprietor, and still think you can magic the system into a bunch of self-proprietorships. Simply “understanding how money works” isn’t all you need to succeed, otherwise the system would work for the vast majority rather than the vast minority.

                  You clearly have no actual idea what Socialism is if you think it’s just welfare, it’s worker ownership of the Means of Production. Directing production towards fulfilling needs and uses, rather than the profits and wealth hoarding of the few.

                  You do realize Lemmy was made by Communists along Communist principles, right?

                  • @thefrankring
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                    -24 months ago

                    I came to Lemmy because I like the free and open source aspect of it from a software perspective.

                    Now, FOSS and communism do share common ideologies about collaboration, community, accessibility, etc. But they are fundamentally different.

                    I hope you realize that ‘business’ and ‘making money’ usually mean exchange of services. You buy something because you need it. You sell/work something because someone needs it.

                    Generally speaking, from a capitalist perspective, the more money you have, the more useful you are to society. It means that what you have to sell/give/work is more valuable and people need it.

                    Socialism isn’t all bad, but generally wants to redistribute resources to people that might not necessarily deserve it. And I think perfect equality is a hoax.

        • Cowbee [he/him]
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          I have worked, and continue to work. I understand how my labor is exploited by the bourgeois class and I do not recieve the bulk of the Value I create. I suggest reading Wage Labor and Capital and Value, Price and Profit.

          I am certainly not the absolute most competent worker who ever lived, but I am definitely far more competent than the parasites exploiting me without lifting a finger.