ROUND 11: 🇦🇹 Austria


FORMULA 1 QATAR AIRWAYS AUSTRIAN GRAND PRIX 2024


Circuit stats


  • First Grand Prix: 1970
  • Number of laps: 71
  • Circuit Length: 4.318 km
  • Race Distance: 306.452 km
  • Lap record: 1:05.619 Carlos Sainz (2020)
  • 2023 winner: Max Verstappen

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  • @[email protected]
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    85 months ago

    Lando was ahead at the apex, Max should have backed out or when going through the grass given the position to Lando. That’s a pretty straight forward case IMO. However Lando did provoke him into that error for sure

    • @[email protected]
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      95 months ago

      I don’t think it’s that straight forward. Norris dove so deep he almost went off track himself. He didn’t leave Verstappen space so Verstappen had to go off track. Implying Norris had the right for the position sets a dangerous precedent where you can simply divebomb deep into the corner, cut off the entire corner and the person you want to pass has to give the position to you.

      • @essteeyou
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        45 months ago

        You’re allowed to almost go off the track.

        • @[email protected]
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          25 months ago

          That was to point out that he didn’t leave room for Verstappen. If Norris is already almost off the track, where is Verstappen supposed to go? Magically teleport through Norris?

          • @essteeyou
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            15 months ago

            Brake, wait for the road to be clear. Not overtake off the track.

            • @[email protected]
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              15 months ago

              But if Max wanted to overtake because he was quicker out of the corner? Where would he go?

              • @essteeyou
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                25 months ago

                Every driver has a few choices. Brake and wait, go off the track, or collide. You’re not allowed to overtake off track, and you shouldn’t cause a collision, so what’s left?

      • @[email protected]
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        35 months ago

        But that is not for Max to decide. The stewards could have given Lando a penalty for that. But Max definitely should have given the position to Lando IMO.

        • @[email protected]
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          15 months ago

          On paper I completely agree, Max should’ve given the position back. But in reality I think we both know why he didn’t and why I think it was fair game. You even allude to the reason.

          The stewards could have given Lando a penalty for that.

          Just as they could have punished Lando for it they also could have punished Verstappen for not letting Lando pass. The stewards are wildly inconsistent and if I was a racer I wouldn’t put my GP win in the hands of the stewards. Unless I’m clearly in the wrong the most logical course of action is to do what’s best for me at that moment and then argue with the stewards later. Another example of stewards being inconsistent is the fact that Verstappen didn’t get punished for taking the position back. He absolutely should’ve gotten punished for it, but he didn’t. The stewards play loose with rules so drivers must also play loose with the rules if they want to win.

          Imagine if Verstappen had given that position to Norris and then stewards had done nothing to punish Norris. People would have called Verstappen a sucker for giving up the position because why would you willingly give up your position in such a gray area? Verstappen is driving to win and that means he’s not going to give up a position just so he could be “in the right”. Being in the right doesn’t mean you get to win. The winners mindset is that if you can be in the right and win then that’s great, but if can’t achieve that you’d much rather be in the wrong and win than be in the right and not win. That doesn’t apply only to Verstappen, Norris would also be just as fine being in the wrong and winning. Same with a lot of other drivers.

      • @[email protected]
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        15 months ago

        2021 set that precedent, that was Max’s signature move. Brake late to get ahead on the inside, go wide, and push your opponent off the track.

        • @[email protected]
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          15 months ago

          Max set the precedent that you can do such a divebomb not that you couldn’t retake off track. You’re arguing to make the move even stronger by disallowing retaking off track.

    • @[email protected]
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      5 months ago

      Lando was ahead at the apex, Max should have backed out.

      This was only because he broke so late that he did not make the apex and almost did not make the corner, certainly left no space for max. If that is how things will be, we will see max divebombing and going into people from now on because like Alonso he too takes advantage of dubious stewarding.