Are you in Germany? They’re still using fax, predominantly, here. My doctor wanted to fax my records, couldn’t email them to me. I said of course don’t have a fkn fax, it’s 2024. I asked if people still have pots lines for fax machines and she said they use e-fax. There’s your German efficiency!
Anyway, government passed some law saying they have to cease using them (for gov business) by end of 2024. In the meantime, don‘t throw that telegraph out just yet!
Nah, was mostly just making a joke about the other old tech that Japan was notorious for still using.
Also, I’m really confused WHY eFax is fine but email isn’t? I mean, once you lose the verifiability of the phone logs that say your doctor called you at 2:15pm and send 3 pages of shit, uh, you might as well just email a PDF. (Note: I’m in the US and the ‘verifiable transmission’ thing was why/how we did it for a long time, but that died in about 10 seconds when someone figured out that email was cheaper.)
It’s crazy! The doctor said they weren’t allowed to use email because fax was more secure. I explained that using e-fax wasn’t any more secure. I also reached out to a guy I know who works IT for a small village and the way he laid it out is that Germany doesn’t want to have to upgrade and train everyone on email, buy all the computers, go through the growing pains of new tech.
This sums up Germany in general… if it’s not broken then shut up, there’s nothing to fix. You can’t even go grocery shopping or wash your car on Sundays. The rest of the EU runs laps around Germany on tech and progressive life.
(Transplant from USA, I should note. It’s been a journey.)
Here in Canada , fax is widely used in the medical field in the same way. One could not run a medical office or organization of any kind or size without a fax line. I have heard the legal sector is likewise reliant.
In a functional way I don’t know it’s wrong to say email is less secure. It’s not that they don’t want to buy computers. Everyone has freaking computers; gimme a break. Email (1980s tech) is almost as antiquated as fax machines (1970s) and has many vulnerabilities. There is no way in hell your dermatologist is getting to a PGP party anytime soon. They probably use the same password for every account and that password is probably their name or something and have been using the same one for 20 years. The password is known by perhaps dozens of current and former employees. The email is downloaded onto devices which may not use encryption for storage. They don’t install windows patches but they do install random shit from the internet. And so on. OTOH, who is hacking fax machines?
The solution isn’t to move to email, it’s to hop past email to use a natively encrypted technology with security enforced by a service provider. If the public funders would step up to support a Free Software solution this could have been done already. But instead they fund this and that proprietary system that doesn’t work out, then have to start from scratch in a few years. There hasn’t been incentive to create interoperability. Just a bunch of privately-held companies frothing at the mouth to make all the $$$ they see in the health care industries competing with each other.
BTW I have heard that fax machines are still in wide use in the US medical field also, but it depends what system you are in. E.g “kaiser” system has it’s own internal comms system they use and so on. But inter-system, fax will always be the lowest common denominator.
It was eye-opening and soul crushing how many people were there just because the government/insurance/medical/legal/whatever was forcing them to fax pages.
What’s more hilarious is that faxes are only in black and white…and these jokers would demand faxed IDs and licenses…and then complain when all the pretty-pretty reflective anti-counterfeit layers resulted in a mostly black blob rectangle.
We had to use some scanner that basically “e-faxed” it anyway. It took a long time per page, charged $1/per, BTW, and after it connected to a kind of “courier server” it would attempt to establish the phone line connection.
This would routinely time out and require you to hit “retry” before it just closed and erased everything you just did.
Even then, it would regularly encounter some random connection error and…close and erase everything you just did.
…Sending so many stupid faxes was a huge motivator behind quitting that clown show, among a million other things lol.
I mean, if it were 1994 I’d agree that maybe we shouldn’t hop on this newfangled email thing, but uh, a bit’s happened in the last 30 years y’know?
Though I’d take paid-for school and universal health care and a social safety net over being able to get an email from my doctor so, uh, tradeoffs I guess?
While cheap healthcare here is nice, without private insurance (pricey) it can be months to get an appointment with a primary care doctor. I had to fire one doctor who just refused to make progress on treating my conditions or help in the aid of persistent pain. Many doc offices operate as patient mills, where you can wait up to 90 minutes past your appointment time to be seen for 5 minutes. Office gets the pay from insurance, and you need to return 3 months later with the same ailments. I was stuck in that system for a year before I found a new doc that would listen to me and take me on as a patient.
So, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. It is a better setup than in the US, where insurance has ruined the industry, but unless you’re diligent about getting a good doctor to take you on, or pay for private insurance, It’s just a grind. A lot of chopping, but no chips are flying.
The system here is better, but the treatment you get in the US is ultimately more beneficial.
This has been my experience and perhaps not representative of the system as a whole.
Did they send everyone a fax to let them know that floppies are no longer used?
Are you in Germany? They’re still using fax, predominantly, here. My doctor wanted to fax my records, couldn’t email them to me. I said of course don’t have a fkn fax, it’s 2024. I asked if people still have pots lines for fax machines and she said they use e-fax. There’s your German efficiency!
Anyway, government passed some law saying they have to cease using them (for gov business) by end of 2024. In the meantime, don‘t throw that telegraph out just yet!
Nah, was mostly just making a joke about the other old tech that Japan was notorious for still using.
Also, I’m really confused WHY eFax is fine but email isn’t? I mean, once you lose the verifiability of the phone logs that say your doctor called you at 2:15pm and send 3 pages of shit, uh, you might as well just email a PDF. (Note: I’m in the US and the ‘verifiable transmission’ thing was why/how we did it for a long time, but that died in about 10 seconds when someone figured out that email was cheaper.)
It’s crazy! The doctor said they weren’t allowed to use email because fax was more secure. I explained that using e-fax wasn’t any more secure. I also reached out to a guy I know who works IT for a small village and the way he laid it out is that Germany doesn’t want to have to upgrade and train everyone on email, buy all the computers, go through the growing pains of new tech.
This sums up Germany in general… if it’s not broken then shut up, there’s nothing to fix. You can’t even go grocery shopping or wash your car on Sundays. The rest of the EU runs laps around Germany on tech and progressive life.
(Transplant from USA, I should note. It’s been a journey.)
Here in Canada , fax is widely used in the medical field in the same way. One could not run a medical office or organization of any kind or size without a fax line. I have heard the legal sector is likewise reliant.
In a functional way I don’t know it’s wrong to say email is less secure. It’s not that they don’t want to buy computers. Everyone has freaking computers; gimme a break. Email (1980s tech) is almost as antiquated as fax machines (1970s) and has many vulnerabilities. There is no way in hell your dermatologist is getting to a PGP party anytime soon. They probably use the same password for every account and that password is probably their name or something and have been using the same one for 20 years. The password is known by perhaps dozens of current and former employees. The email is downloaded onto devices which may not use encryption for storage. They don’t install windows patches but they do install random shit from the internet. And so on. OTOH, who is hacking fax machines?
The solution isn’t to move to email, it’s to hop past email to use a natively encrypted technology with security enforced by a service provider. If the public funders would step up to support a Free Software solution this could have been done already. But instead they fund this and that proprietary system that doesn’t work out, then have to start from scratch in a few years. There hasn’t been incentive to create interoperability. Just a bunch of privately-held companies frothing at the mouth to make all the $$$ they see in the health care industries competing with each other.
BTW I have heard that fax machines are still in wide use in the US medical field also, but it depends what system you are in. E.g “kaiser” system has it’s own internal comms system they use and so on. But inter-system, fax will always be the lowest common denominator.
Worked for a public library in the U.S.
It was eye-opening and soul crushing how many people were there just because the government/insurance/medical/legal/whatever was forcing them to fax pages.
What’s more hilarious is that faxes are only in black and white…and these jokers would demand faxed IDs and licenses…and then complain when all the pretty-pretty reflective anti-counterfeit layers resulted in a mostly black blob rectangle.
We had to use some scanner that basically “e-faxed” it anyway. It took a long time per page, charged $1/per, BTW, and after it connected to a kind of “courier server” it would attempt to establish the phone line connection.
This would routinely time out and require you to hit “retry” before it just closed and erased everything you just did.
Even then, it would regularly encounter some random connection error and…close and erase everything you just did.
…Sending so many stupid faxes was a huge motivator behind quitting that clown show, among a million other things lol.
I mean, if it were 1994 I’d agree that maybe we shouldn’t hop on this newfangled email thing, but uh, a bit’s happened in the last 30 years y’know?
Though I’d take paid-for school and universal health care and a social safety net over being able to get an email from my doctor so, uh, tradeoffs I guess?
While cheap healthcare here is nice, without private insurance (pricey) it can be months to get an appointment with a primary care doctor. I had to fire one doctor who just refused to make progress on treating my conditions or help in the aid of persistent pain. Many doc offices operate as patient mills, where you can wait up to 90 minutes past your appointment time to be seen for 5 minutes. Office gets the pay from insurance, and you need to return 3 months later with the same ailments. I was stuck in that system for a year before I found a new doc that would listen to me and take me on as a patient.
So, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. It is a better setup than in the US, where insurance has ruined the industry, but unless you’re diligent about getting a good doctor to take you on, or pay for private insurance, It’s just a grind. A lot of chopping, but no chips are flying.
The system here is better, but the treatment you get in the US is ultimately more beneficial.
This has been my experience and perhaps not representative of the system as a whole.