You’re stretching even further now. Most medical care is based on a patient telling a doctor what is bothering them. There’s allergies, soft tissue injuries, psychological needs, sleep disorders, digestive problems, eating disorders,learning disabilities, etc. etc. etc.
Teens shouldn’t be allowed treatment for any of those? Or will you keep drawing more and more granular distinctions to fit your conclusion?
Let’s just take an example that fits your definition: bariatric surgery is 1) surgical 2) not determined by imaging 3) undergone only in consultation with the patient 4) undergone only alongside psychological and lifestyle support 5) related to future health outcomes 6) related to the patient’s body image 7) sometimes appropriate in teens/adolescents 8) requires lifelong lifestyle changes 9) not related to an accute injury or illness 10) it is not an urgent lifesaving procedure
It is in every way exactly like gender affirming care except not being related to gender.
So surely you would argue that bariatric surgery should be banned for teens, based on your position. Their brains are still developing so they cannot possibly make such a decision that will impact the rest of their lives. If they still feel like they need it when they are adults, then they can do it then.
I gotta say, bariatric surgery sounds pretty bad after googleing it. Its no where near like trans surgery. Though, I personally think both should be banned for minors. I am of the mind that such life altering changes should only be made once someone is of a certian age to be fully responsible.
I do not have faith in teenagers or even young adults to know how to best handle their life when they are so young. Im in my thirties and i barely believe i make the best decision for my own life.
My concern are for the ones who will ultimately regret having made the decision to transition. There just should be a limit to any body modification for minors.
Here is where we differ: I believe that the very smart people who go to school to study these exact issues for many years, practice for decades, review one another’s work, and spend a lifetime studying the outcomes of the surgeries are in the best place to decide what should and shouldn’t be allowed.
If an individual, their family, and an entire team of doctors determine that something is safe and advisable, I trust that decision much more than my uneducated feelings.
Yeah i agree, im not whole sale against it. But you talk of these highly educated people making these decisions. What about all the morally corrupt parts of life where this can, and i bet is, being abused for nefarious reason.
I just think all major decisions like these should only be made once someone is of age. That way if they were wrong it couldn’t be held against anyone in a future lawsuit./s
Hah oh i didnt say a cabal of nefarious doctors. What do you think of people who later regret going through surgery?
I just think body modifications should wait till someone is of age, just like tattoos.
You assume everything is done with the best of intentions. You’re either a kid or just ignorant of how fucked up life is. This is why we also shouldnt allow marriage until someone is of age.
Medical treatment is provided on a basis of best practices established by an entire healthcare community including medical practitioners, clinicians, researchers, and institutions. Studies rely on statistical risk models. That’s why before you go through any medical treatment, a doctor will tell you that no treatment is without risk.
As a result, every treatment includes a percentage of recipients who experience regret. Gender affirmation surgeries have an exceptionally low regret rate.
Compared to, say, pain medication, there is not really a profit motive for doctors to over-prescribe or over-treat gender affirmation treatments.
The suggestion that a minor should not go through any medically necessary “body modification” procedure, is cruel and untenable. That would mean:
Sexually active teens be categorically denied birth control
Dangerously overweight teens be denied surgeries or other treatment that could add years or decades to their life, as well as prevent knee, hip, and back problems in adulthood (that having the surgery later would not repair)
Student athletes be denied surgical joint repairs that could restore movement and prevent future injury (that could not be performed with the same success rate in adulthood)
Children with congenital heart problems be denied care which could both add years to their life and improve the quality of their childhood
Children who could benefit from ear tubes be forced to face risk of incurable hearing loss
-Children who could benefit from cochlear implants be denied the possibility of hearing until they are 18
Children with juvenile glaucoma be forced to go through childhood with partial blindness, which may become irreversible
Children at risk of lifelong trauma or suicide due to gender dysphoria be denied gender affirming care that can add decades to their life and improve the quality of their childhood
Please stop with the dismissive name-calling and try to think these things through more completely. In all of these cases, medical providers work with a family to assess the risks and needs of a child, make recommendations, and carry out the treatment most likely to have the greatest positive medical impact. The suggestion that anyone outside a child, their family, and their medical providers should have a say in the decision strikes me as arrogant, cruel, and offensive.
You have not been banned for your opinions, but for your conduct. Saying deliberately shocking or offensive things to “gauge the mindset of a community” is trolling, and is not allowed here. I hope that after taking a short break from the community you can return to engage more authentically. Please feel free to PM myself or another mod if you have any questions in the meantime.
Funny how you assume I want to ban it. Seems like a common trend. In which you are identical to the frequenters of r/the_donald. If I don’t flatout agree with you, I must heavily oppose you.
Didn’t you get the “trans care is a dialog” part? I mean I would love to see your reasoning in how that can be viewed as wanting to ban it. I always love a good show of mental gymnastics.
This is EXACTLY how it goes! A teen walks into a Doctor’s office and says “I’M TRANS!” and the Doctor gets their Scissor and cuts off their Penis without ANY TESTING or THERAPY or TRANSITIONAL PERIODS whatsoever!
No sweetie, those can be diagnosed through imaging and completed without the patient saying one word.
Trans care is a dialog.
Nice try, better luck next time?
You’re stretching even further now. Most medical care is based on a patient telling a doctor what is bothering them. There’s allergies, soft tissue injuries, psychological needs, sleep disorders, digestive problems, eating disorders,learning disabilities, etc. etc. etc.
Teens shouldn’t be allowed treatment for any of those? Or will you keep drawing more and more granular distinctions to fit your conclusion?
Let’s just take an example that fits your definition: bariatric surgery is 1) surgical 2) not determined by imaging 3) undergone only in consultation with the patient 4) undergone only alongside psychological and lifestyle support 5) related to future health outcomes 6) related to the patient’s body image 7) sometimes appropriate in teens/adolescents 8) requires lifelong lifestyle changes 9) not related to an accute injury or illness 10) it is not an urgent lifesaving procedure
It is in every way exactly like gender affirming care except not being related to gender.
So surely you would argue that bariatric surgery should be banned for teens, based on your position. Their brains are still developing so they cannot possibly make such a decision that will impact the rest of their lives. If they still feel like they need it when they are adults, then they can do it then.
Right?
I gotta say, bariatric surgery sounds pretty bad after googleing it. Its no where near like trans surgery. Though, I personally think both should be banned for minors. I am of the mind that such life altering changes should only be made once someone is of a certian age to be fully responsible.
I do not have faith in teenagers or even young adults to know how to best handle their life when they are so young. Im in my thirties and i barely believe i make the best decision for my own life.
My concern are for the ones who will ultimately regret having made the decision to transition. There just should be a limit to any body modification for minors.
Here is where we differ: I believe that the very smart people who go to school to study these exact issues for many years, practice for decades, review one another’s work, and spend a lifetime studying the outcomes of the surgeries are in the best place to decide what should and shouldn’t be allowed.
If an individual, their family, and an entire team of doctors determine that something is safe and advisable, I trust that decision much more than my uneducated feelings.
Yeah i agree, im not whole sale against it. But you talk of these highly educated people making these decisions. What about all the morally corrupt parts of life where this can, and i bet is, being abused for nefarious reason.
I just think all major decisions like these should only be made once someone is of age. That way if they were wrong it couldn’t be held against anyone in a future lawsuit./s
When a decision is made to perform surgery on a minor, it is always because doctors have determined that it is more dangerous to wait.
I’m not even going to address the completely unfounded claim of some nefarious cabal of doctors.
Hah oh i didnt say a cabal of nefarious doctors. What do you think of people who later regret going through surgery?
I just think body modifications should wait till someone is of age, just like tattoos.
You assume everything is done with the best of intentions. You’re either a kid or just ignorant of how fucked up life is. This is why we also shouldnt allow marriage until someone is of age.
Medical treatment is provided on a basis of best practices established by an entire healthcare community including medical practitioners, clinicians, researchers, and institutions. Studies rely on statistical risk models. That’s why before you go through any medical treatment, a doctor will tell you that no treatment is without risk.
As a result, every treatment includes a percentage of recipients who experience regret. Gender affirmation surgeries have an exceptionally low regret rate.
Compared to, say, pain medication, there is not really a profit motive for doctors to over-prescribe or over-treat gender affirmation treatments.
The suggestion that a minor should not go through any medically necessary “body modification” procedure, is cruel and untenable. That would mean:
Please stop with the dismissive name-calling and try to think these things through more completely. In all of these cases, medical providers work with a family to assess the risks and needs of a child, make recommendations, and carry out the treatment most likely to have the greatest positive medical impact. The suggestion that anyone outside a child, their family, and their medical providers should have a say in the decision strikes me as arrogant, cruel, and offensive.
Removed by mod
You have not been banned for your opinions, but for your conduct. Saying deliberately shocking or offensive things to “gauge the mindset of a community” is trolling, and is not allowed here. I hope that after taking a short break from the community you can return to engage more authentically. Please feel free to PM myself or another mod if you have any questions in the meantime.
Funny how you assume I want to ban it. Seems like a common trend. In which you are identical to the frequenters of r/the_donald. If I don’t flatout agree with you, I must heavily oppose you.
Didn’t you get the “trans care is a dialog” part? I mean I would love to see your reasoning in how that can be viewed as wanting to ban it. I always love a good show of mental gymnastics.
Ah, yes. Because doing surgeries “without the patient saying one word” to consent to them is great for regret rates. XD
I guess you missed the important part. And focussed only on the irrelevant part. Didn’t expect anything else tbh.
This is EXACTLY how it goes! A teen walks into a Doctor’s office and says “I’M TRANS!” and the Doctor gets their Scissor and cuts off their Penis without ANY TESTING or THERAPY or TRANSITIONAL PERIODS whatsoever!