President Joe Biden faces a rebellion from wealthy Democratic donors after his debate performance against Donald Trump.

Abigail Disney, the granddaughter to Roy O. Disney, who cofounded The Walt Disney Company, told CNBC on Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. The president has said he has no plans to withdraw from the race, despite calls for him to do so.

“I intend to stop any contributions to the party unless and until they replace Biden at the top of the ticket. This is realism, not disrespect. Biden is a good man and has served his country admirably, but the stakes are far too high,” Abigail Disney said in a lengthy statement to CNBC. “If Biden does not step down the Democrats will lose. Of that I am absolutely certain. The consequences for the loss will be genuinely dire.”

  • @PugJesusEnglish
    -8•6 months ago

    Given that the overarching question here is “is biden really the best candidate?”,

    Yes, he is the best candidate currently running.

    and that ranked choice voting would immediately fix that issue

    No, ranked choice would give us an option to express a stronger preference for other candidates. It would not fix the fact that Biden and Trump hold near-majority support in this election cycle and one of them will be the winner of the election, making every voter with any sense pick one of them to support over the other.

    while retaining democracy, yes i feel fairly confident that the current situation is one brought on by an imperfect implementation of democracy.

    Okay, cool, if ranked choice voting was implemented, who would have the support of the electorate who isn’t Biden or Trump?

    • archomrade [he/him]English
      5•6 months ago

      On what basis are you making the claim that Biden has near-majority support here? Because if it’s simply the fact he’s the candidate that was produced by our shit system, it seems like you’re just begging the question.

          • @PugJesusEnglish
            1•6 months ago

            Polls taken before Thursday all largely deliver the same answer: any Biden alternative — Vice President Kamala Harris, Govs. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, Gavin Newsom of California, Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg — performed about the same, or worse, than Biden against Trump when voters were asked how they’d vote in head-to-head matchups.

            In averages of national polls fielded between February 2023 and January of this year, for example, Harris underperformed Biden by about 2.3 percentage points, per tracking by the former Democratic pollster Adam Carlson.

            Buttigieg, Newsom, and Sanders did worse than Biden against Trump (Newsom, for example, trailed Biden’s margin against Trump in every poll in which he was included, by about 3 percentage points on average). Whitmer did roughly the same as Biden, but that’s also based on only two polls.

            • @[email protected]
              2•6 months ago

              Yes, that one. The difference between all the candidates falls in a range of about 3 percentage points, meaning that everyone has near majority support.

        • archomrade [he/him]English
          1•6 months ago

          Lmao, those polls are asking how people would vote in hypothetical head-to-heads - as in:

          the current situation is one brought on by an imperfect implementation of democracy.

          But I guess since this says each hypothetical polled resulted in near the same chances, that means all of the alternatives have ‘near-majority support’, right?

          • @PugJesusEnglish
            0•6 months ago

            No, ranked choice would give us an option to express a stronger preference for other candidates. It would not fix the fact that Biden and Trump hold near-majority support in this election cycle and one of them will be the winner of the election, making every voter with any sense pick one of them to support over the other.

            Good to see you still can’t read worth a damn.

            • archomrade [he/him]English
              0•6 months ago

              idk what to tell you, the article you linked shows alt candidates having similar support as biden in head-to-heads. I’m not sure in what world that means Biden has majority support. They can’t all have near-majority support

              if 75% of the democratic electorate would prefer a different candidate, then in a ranked-choice election 75% of democratic voters would likely be putting him as second or third choice, not their first.