What’s the point of high-roading if the destination is fascism?
Because you’re just ushering in a different flavor of fascism? You may solve the immediate crisis, but make no mistake, you’re creating (or at least exacerbating) a brand new crisis.
The point is that if the destination is fascism, violence might be justified if no other avenue is available.
Like yes, the rhetoric is obviously extreme, but that might be what’s necessary to get the Democratic party to actually use the tools available to them, like packing the courts
Once we get there, sure, whatever, if that’s what it takes. But unless or, god forbid, until we reach that point, then there is no way you or anyone is going to convince me that abandoning our core values is the right way forward.
That’s cute. It’s a short, punchy statement to absolve yourself of responsibility to help.
It’s also fantasy.
There will be a lot of real harm done to real people in the transition to fascism. Not doing everything you can to stop it is allowing that harm to happen.
Cops Pull Out Guns: FREEZE! PUT YOUR HANDS UP IN THE AIR!
Armed Robbers: Pulls out guns aims at cops!
Cops: Maybe he won’t shoot, lets wait and find out!
Armed Robbers: Kills all the cops, runs away.
News at 6pm - July 12th: The armed robbers who shot and killed everyone in the bank on July 10th have done it again, this time killing all the cops outside as they fled. Who would have ever guessed they’d shoot at the cops after having killed everyone in the bank 2 days prior!
Ultimately, this might be the last 6 months anything can be done about this.
If Trump wins, it could very well be the last election, or they will be rigged so bad they make Putin shameful that he can’t be that blatantly obvious.
So ‘once we get there’ might mean the only solution is even worse than using the current legitimate options and newly provided power to the presidency.
Edit: The dude already tried to stage a coup, murder the VP, and incited an insurrection. Things will not go well if he wins, and he’s going to get off on it all as immune.
Because you’re just ushering in a different flavor of fascism? You may solve the immediate crisis, but make no mistake, you’re creating (or at least exacerbating) a brand new crisis.
Under those standards, the American revolution was fascism and shouldn’t have happened.
Absolute false equivalence, and I’m done with this thread.
It’s only false equivalence because the American revolution worked out for the US, and was therefore retroactively justified.
No shame in setting limits for yourself.
Not all authoritarianism is fascism
And neither authoritarianism nor fascism are compatible with the principles our country was founded on. What’s you point?
The point is that if the destination is fascism, violence might be justified if no other avenue is available.
Like yes, the rhetoric is obviously extreme, but that might be what’s necessary to get the Democratic party to actually use the tools available to them, like packing the courts
Once we get there, sure, whatever, if that’s what it takes. But unless or, god forbid, until we reach that point, then there is no way you or anyone is going to convince me that abandoning our core values is the right way forward.
That’s cute. It’s a short, punchy statement to absolve yourself of responsibility to help.
It’s also fantasy.
There will be a lot of real harm done to real people in the transition to fascism. Not doing everything you can to stop it is allowing that harm to happen.
Armed Robbers Fleeing Bank
Cops Pull Out Guns: FREEZE! PUT YOUR HANDS UP IN THE AIR!
Armed Robbers: Pulls out guns aims at cops!
Cops: Maybe he won’t shoot, lets wait and find out!
Armed Robbers: Kills all the cops, runs away.
News at 6pm - July 12th: The armed robbers who shot and killed everyone in the bank on July 10th have done it again, this time killing all the cops outside as they fled. Who would have ever guessed they’d shoot at the cops after having killed everyone in the bank 2 days prior!
Ultimately, this might be the last 6 months anything can be done about this.
If Trump wins, it could very well be the last election, or they will be rigged so bad they make Putin shameful that he can’t be that blatantly obvious.
So ‘once we get there’ might mean the only solution is even worse than using the current legitimate options and newly provided power to the presidency.
Edit: The dude already tried to stage a coup, murder the VP, and incited an insurrection. Things will not go well if he wins, and he’s going to get off on it all as immune.
Then you should vote, vote smart, and get as many people to join you as possible. That’s my plan.