• Neuromancer
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    242 months ago

    She was put into solitary because she refused to be transferred.

    • Chozo
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      142 months ago

      Ahh, gotcha. I see now, I originally thought she was being put straight into solitary from the start. That definitely changes things then.

      This is one of those tough stories that really challenges your morals. Part of me wants to take her side, because no woman should be forced into a men’s prison, trans or not. But then there’s another part of me which feels a bit indifferent to the suffering of a murderer. Part of me thinks “just put her in solitary back in the women’s prison”, but then another part of me thinks “actually we shouldn’t have solitary confinement in any prisons in the first place”. It’s just an awful situation from every angle.

      • @[email protected]
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        112 months ago

        We live in a society where the law is decided as much by precedent as by policy. Whatever punishment we as a society can be inflicted upon the worst scum of society, will be inflicted upon the innocent. Upon the wrongly convicted, those whose crimes harmed nobody, and those who were right to do what they did. If we don’t fight injustices against the deserving, that will be used to justify injustice against the undeserving.

        They refused to respect her legal rights in three different ways. We have to believe this is an injustice when it is committed against anyone. There’s no ambiguity here.

      • @samus12345
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        82 months ago

        a murderer

        Motive matters. She killed her abusive parents. It’s highly likely she was a victim of society failing her. That doesn’t excuse what she did, it just means she’s not the same as someone who killed for money or fun.

      • Neuromancer
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        -222 months ago

        She was raping another prisoner. That’s why she being moved. There is no consensual sex in prison.

        Solitary confinement is needed in some situations. This isn’t one of them. It is overused but should never be used as a punishment. It should be used to keep people safe.

        It’s a blurb of an article and I don’t know the backstory to know what the right answer is.

        To me it doesn’t matter if she murdered someone or not. The prison system is supposed to be dispassionate about the crime.

        • Pennomi
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          212 months ago

          The sex was not officially allowed, but there absolutely could be consensual sex in prison. The reason they don’t allow it is because in many (but not all) cases it is coerced.

        • @[email protected]
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          132 months ago

          There is no consensual sex in prison.

          Lolwut? Inmates can consent with each other. Not everything in prison is a scene from Oz.

            • @die444die
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              72 months ago

              Being against prison rules does not make it rape.

              • Neuromancer
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                -112 months ago

                Non-consensual sex is rape. You can’t consent to sex as an inmate. That said, we don’t know if that’s the reason or not. We will have to wait till further information comes out

                • @die444die
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                  62 months ago

                  Being an inmate doesn’t mean you lose your ability to consent. They could have very well been in a relationship. Just because it was against the prison rules does not mean it was non consensual.

                  You are the only one calling it rape - there is nothing else implying it was non consensual.

        • @Maggoty
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          82 months ago

          There is no consensual sex in prison.

          Between guards and inmates. Inmates are on a level playing field and can have consensual sex. Unless of course you’re talking about legal technicalities in which case, the suffering is the point.

          • Neuromancer
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            No inmates cannot have sex in prison with other inmates. It is prohibited.

            • @Maggoty
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              42 months ago

              So the suffering is the point. Got it.

              • Neuromancer
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                Too much of a power dynamic. It causes to many issues in the facility for the staff and other inmates.

                Typically it’s ignored in most cases but when it’s an issue they move inmates to other facilities.

                • @Maggoty
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                  62 months ago

                  And they couldn’t move her to another women’s facility? or another unit in the same facility? They had to go straight to men’s genpop? I also don’t buy that sex among peers causes too many issues. Unless it’s criminal, in which case you’d deal with it on that front. Because if that was true we’d have to make sex among peers a crime in normal society too.

                  • Neuromancer
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                    -62 months ago

                    I have no clue why they moved her to a male facility. It’s not in the article. Until more comes out on the case, it’s a mystery.

                    I suspect this is a maximum security and I have no clue how many they have for women in Washington.

                    In Nevada where my girlfriend worked in the prison system, they only have one for women. They’d move them to another section of the prison if possible or send them out of state.

                    Overall though they led it slide as long as there were no issues.