I’m not necessarily opposed to having grand, long term ambitions, but I just don’t see how something like that could be considered a priority. When I think of a priority, I think of some immediate need. I don’t see space exploration as a necessity. Again, I’m not against it, necessarily, but I think preserving this planet’s biosphere should absolutely be considered the priority. After all, the Earth is the only human supporting habitat known to exist in the universe.
Again, I’m not against it, necessarily, but I think preserving this planet’s biosphere should absolutely be considered the priority. After all, the Earth is the only human supporting habitat known to exist in the universe.
I agree completely. But I’m also of the opinion that living in space is how we’ll develop those technologies we need to survive on earth, maybe it’s the only way.
The problem is that while we could develop those technologies on earth, we aren’t, not fast enough. But living in space would force us to develop those technologies, and that’s what we need. Solar power is a great example, photovoltaics were a very niche form of power generation, hardly utilized at all. But it was necessary in spacecrafts, it was the only thing that made sense (well, sometimes nuclear made sense too, but not my point). As a result, a lot of solar research and development was done by NASA and other contractors for the space program, and now we have panels in our roofs today. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg, and here’s why: bringing things to space is expensive, so it’s better to reuse, recycle, repurpose and repair whenever possible. Long term facilities in space will naturally want to reduce costs to a minimum whenever possible, and that means learning how to operate in a way that reuses and repurposes waste, rather than discarding it. All the CO2 generated, that can be reprocessed into useful carbon and vital oxygen. But it won’t stop there, we’ll want to repurpose every bit of waste we possibly can, creating totally closed-loop environments, the absolute pinnacle of sustainability.
And of course one of the great things about a closed loop environment is that it doesn’t pollute, it hardly effects the environment around it at all. And even with reusable rockets, anything we can build in space, will still be cheaper to build here on earth. And once we know how to live in a closed loop because space forced us to, we’ll have everything we need to do it here on earth because we want to.
Also we’ll be able to travel the solar system, so that’s super cool. Space is cool.
I think the best way to achieve sustainability is probably through simplification, rather than relying on technology of ever increasing complexity. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use any form of complex technology, but I think we implement the complex technology more strategically. I think we should utilize more complex technology where necessary but simplify where possible. I think we should try to live more within the bounds of our ecosystem and become more connected to it and its natural cycles, instead of becoming more disconnected from it.
I think the best way to achieve sustainability is probably through simplification, rather than relying on technology of ever increasing complexity. … but simplify where possible
Well I mean, that’s what we’re doing right now, but it clearly isn’t enough. “Simplify where possible” is a good thought, but all too often people decide, no, it’s not possible right now. Given a choice, people tend to take the easier path, not the more responsible path. That’s the benefit of living in space, it takes that choice away
And if you want people to significantly simplify, well that’s a real uphill battle, especially if it’s more economical in the short term to do something else. I’m not saying that it’s wrong, but it’s an approach we’ve been trying since the 80s, and individuals, companies and governments all naturally push back against it.
Besides, even before we had all the tech we do now, we still couldn’t live sustainably. We hunted the mammoth and the giant ground sloths to extinction. We’ve been over fishing and over logging since we can remember. New need to figure out how to live sustainably, it never came naturally.
And if you want people to significantly simplify, well that’s a real uphill battle
Well, I can’t disagree with you there. Few people will simplify or reduce their consumption or their use of resources willingly. You’re right, they’re going to have to be forced, somehow. But, I don’t think space is going to be the thing that forces them, I think it will be some kind of major collapse. Regardless, I don’t think anything is going to stop people from continuing to do profound, irreparable damage to the environment anytime soon. I expect that to continue for the foreseeable future.
But, I don’t think space is going to be the thing that forces them, I think it will be some kind of major collapse.
Yeah, well I can’t predict the future, so of course I can’t say for sure. But I sure hope that we get to living in space before there’s some major collapse. I would like to see society not fall apart spectacularly. I guess that’s why I’m so hyped for reusable rockets, it’s a possible path to sustainability that doesn’t require a collapse, and that’s the future I want.
Well I don’t know what to tell you. Feel free to dream bigger?
I’m not necessarily opposed to having grand, long term ambitions, but I just don’t see how something like that could be considered a priority. When I think of a priority, I think of some immediate need. I don’t see space exploration as a necessity. Again, I’m not against it, necessarily, but I think preserving this planet’s biosphere should absolutely be considered the priority. After all, the Earth is the only human supporting habitat known to exist in the universe.
I agree completely. But I’m also of the opinion that living in space is how we’ll develop those technologies we need to survive on earth, maybe it’s the only way.
The problem is that while we could develop those technologies on earth, we aren’t, not fast enough. But living in space would force us to develop those technologies, and that’s what we need. Solar power is a great example, photovoltaics were a very niche form of power generation, hardly utilized at all. But it was necessary in spacecrafts, it was the only thing that made sense (well, sometimes nuclear made sense too, but not my point). As a result, a lot of solar research and development was done by NASA and other contractors for the space program, and now we have panels in our roofs today. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg, and here’s why: bringing things to space is expensive, so it’s better to reuse, recycle, repurpose and repair whenever possible. Long term facilities in space will naturally want to reduce costs to a minimum whenever possible, and that means learning how to operate in a way that reuses and repurposes waste, rather than discarding it. All the CO2 generated, that can be reprocessed into useful carbon and vital oxygen. But it won’t stop there, we’ll want to repurpose every bit of waste we possibly can, creating totally closed-loop environments, the absolute pinnacle of sustainability.
And of course one of the great things about a closed loop environment is that it doesn’t pollute, it hardly effects the environment around it at all. And even with reusable rockets, anything we can build in space, will still be cheaper to build here on earth. And once we know how to live in a closed loop because space forced us to, we’ll have everything we need to do it here on earth because we want to.
Also we’ll be able to travel the solar system, so that’s super cool. Space is cool.
I think the best way to achieve sustainability is probably through simplification, rather than relying on technology of ever increasing complexity. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use any form of complex technology, but I think we implement the complex technology more strategically. I think we should utilize more complex technology where necessary but simplify where possible. I think we should try to live more within the bounds of our ecosystem and become more connected to it and its natural cycles, instead of becoming more disconnected from it.
Well I mean, that’s what we’re doing right now, but it clearly isn’t enough. “Simplify where possible” is a good thought, but all too often people decide, no, it’s not possible right now. Given a choice, people tend to take the easier path, not the more responsible path. That’s the benefit of living in space, it takes that choice away
And if you want people to significantly simplify, well that’s a real uphill battle, especially if it’s more economical in the short term to do something else. I’m not saying that it’s wrong, but it’s an approach we’ve been trying since the 80s, and individuals, companies and governments all naturally push back against it.
Besides, even before we had all the tech we do now, we still couldn’t live sustainably. We hunted the mammoth and the giant ground sloths to extinction. We’ve been over fishing and over logging since we can remember. New need to figure out how to live sustainably, it never came naturally.
Well, I can’t disagree with you there. Few people will simplify or reduce their consumption or their use of resources willingly. You’re right, they’re going to have to be forced, somehow. But, I don’t think space is going to be the thing that forces them, I think it will be some kind of major collapse. Regardless, I don’t think anything is going to stop people from continuing to do profound, irreparable damage to the environment anytime soon. I expect that to continue for the foreseeable future.
Yeah, well I can’t predict the future, so of course I can’t say for sure. But I sure hope that we get to living in space before there’s some major collapse. I would like to see society not fall apart spectacularly. I guess that’s why I’m so hyped for reusable rockets, it’s a possible path to sustainability that doesn’t require a collapse, and that’s the future I want.