• @Buddahriffic
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    52 months ago

    They are talking about an ideal, not describing the current reality. It’s a resolution of the paradox of tolerance.

    • @[email protected]
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      22 months ago

      The “paradox of tolerance” only exists because people think “tolerance” is a universal good.

      If you don’t start with that (utterly asinine) assumption, there’s no paradox.

      Tolerate a guy beating his dog to death? No that’s not what the “tolerance” aspect of a tolerance society is.

      “Tolerance” as a cultural feature or a policy has never referred to the tolerance of all things. It’s tolerance for race, religion, languages, etc.

      The whole time, we’ve been intolerant of murder, theft, etc. The whole paradox comes out of a sloppy willful misinterpretation of the word in the first place.

      It’s like a three year old concluding that “got your nose” is a paradox because they reached up and felt their nose after mommy got their nose.

      • @Buddahriffic
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        32 months ago

        The paradox itself is more rhetorical than anything because we don’t live in a perfectly tolerant society in the first place. And humans are not robots that need to strictly follow a code that contradicts itself, so even if it were law it wouldn’t be a paradox.

        But it does work rhetorically because the paradox comes from the contradiction between “tolerate everything” and “everything includes the intolerant” by limiting the scope from “everything” to “everything that generally tries to be tolerant”.

        • @UnderpantsWeevil
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          12 months ago

          the paradox comes from the contradiction between “tolerate everything” and “everything includes the intolerant” by limiting the scope from “everything” to “everything that generally tries to be tolerant”.

          The contradiction is between the rhetorical ideal and the practical consequence. “Intolerance of intolerance” is a cute rhetorical trick, but what it amounts to in practice is a brawl between rivals. You’re suggesting the Hatfields and the McCoys have solved the paradox of tolerance by endlessly feuding with one another.

          • @Buddahriffic
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            22 months ago

            It’s just a resolution of the paradox, not a recipe for Utopia. Ultimately, I don’t think there is a simple way to determine what should and shouldn’t be tolerated. Eg, the resolved version would suggest I’m wrong for not wanting to tolerate gender reveals that result in massive wildfires.

            At the end of the day, the wisdom I take from it is, “it’s stupid to tolerate those who won’t tolerate you”.

            • @UnderpantsWeevil
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              12 months ago

              At the end of the day, the wisdom I take from it is, “it’s stupid to tolerate those who won’t tolerate you”.

              So the solution is to… do what? Rude gestures? Invent a new slur? Ethnic cleansing?

              • @Buddahriffic
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                12 months ago

                I don’t think there’s a simple solution either. It’s very context-dependent.