Nato members have pledged their support for an “irreversible path” to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.
While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance’s 32 members said they had “unwavering” support for Ukraine’s war effort.
Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine’s military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.
The bloc’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: “Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest.”
Because it was only 3 members doing combat, everything else contributed by say Germany was do to secondary treaties. For example staging, hospital use, and maintenance in Germany would be covered by basing treaties. Yes quite a bit of this is wrapped up with NATO as a whole, but quite a bit also isnt lots of ifs, ands, ors, and buts in the language of it all.
Turns out alliances and treaties can be complex and esoteric things at the best of times, we figured that out after WW1. And yes only three NATO members had participated in the 2003 invasion of Iraq and one of them (Poland) pulled out. If you bring up Australia they arent part of NATO. Iraq was an unjustified clusterfuck ya dont need to lie about it to make it sound worse.
Also intelligence agencies dont count, half the time intelligence is in a region its to make sure it doesnt need them.
Did you google your statement before posting it?
Yes, the only listed combatant countries are fucking the US, UK, Poland, Australia, and allied Iraqi forces. Ive met enough fucking veterans to know who they fought with during the initial invasian from anecdotes alone and post invasion was the US, UK, and local forces.
Yes secondary assistance was given, but guess what only direct fucken involvement matters. Ill even qoute the fucking beginning of the fucking NATO article on the matter and the nice little list of NATO adjacent actions.
“The March 2003 campaign against Iraq was conducted by a coalition of forces from different countries, some of which were NATO member countries and some were not. NATO as an organisation had no role in the decision to undertake the campaign or to conduct it”
And heres the little list.
NATO as an organisation had no role in the 2003 campaign since opinions among members were divided, as they were in the United Nations.
Iraq was suspected of possessing weapons of mass destruction and was requested to comply with disarmament obligations.
The US-led coalition, operation Iraqi Freedom, ousted the Saddam Hussein regime.
Prior to the campaign and at the request of Turkey, NATO undertook precautionary defensive measures by deploying for instance surveillance aircraft and missile defenses on Turkish territory.
NATO also supported Poland - a participant in the US-led Multinational Stabilization Force set up after the campaign - with for instance communications and logistics.
The closest fucking thing to actually getting involved in Iraq is the logistical assistance during occupation and that was largely in poland and the UK.
Here the fucking article on the NATO website if ya want to look further. Most of it is dedicated to the thing with Turkey.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm
And heres the fucken wiki for the Iraq war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
Its all rather dry but concise. Read it and weap profligate.
Wow such a paragraph without fact checking that’s amazing.
Whats your counterpoint then, give me something to work with other than “youre wrong” I laid out my sources. But let me let ya in on a little secret, that which is asserted without evidence can and should be dismissed without evidence. You have made assertion that NATO as an alliance was involved directly in Iraq, but the closest thing is some random shit in Turkey and Poland getting help with logistics during the occupation period.
For fucks sake the strongest evidence against your assertion is the fact that some Americans tried renaming french fries freedom fries, all because the French wanted nothing to do with that clusterfuck. Ya know France one of the founding members of NATO.
Either put up or shutup. Cause its easy to say no its an entirely different thing to make a proper fucken argument.
Impressive that you made all of this up before opening google. It cost me 30 seconds to find a mountain of evidence contradicting everything you just typed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_Operation_Enduring_Freedom
We are discussing fucken Iraq and you bring up Enduring Freedom, which was a clusterfuck in Afghanistan. Iraq is in the middle east, Afghanistan is in central asia. Also while NATO was a massive part of it there are actually quite a few non NATO countries involved like Armenia, who I wish was part of NATO hell I wish we had them instead of Turkey.
Terms have meanings Iraq may be closely aligned in many folks psyche with the rest of the eras clusterfucks, but well this aint a Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam war situation. The overlap between the operations was seperated by pure distance alone. Its closer to say WW1 germany where they were kicking ass and taking names in the east meanwhile fuck all is happening in the west.
Yes NATO was part of a good chunk of the Global War on Terror but NATO had nearly fuck all to do with Iraq which wasnt even part of that greater clusterfuck until after Iraq decided to cosplay the Balkans and implode. And by that point it was firmly a regional and UK-America clusterfuck.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatants_of_the_Iraq_War
Open post invasion
So the post war clusterfuck, Tonga of all countries is listed. Still no direct Nato involvement, France is still staying the hell away. But still mos tof the list is weird, id need to look at what half those countries were doing in Iraq mostly cause what the fuck was Tonga doing. But yeah the list as a whole reads more as one of countries in the Global war on terror.
Unless you can give me direct evidence of NATO command pissing around in Iraq post invasion for anything other than logistics because dear fuck that must have been a nightmare. Ill continue to point out that NATO wasnt involved as a combatant.
I just looked it up and the closest thing I can find is a training mission, but that was for training local Iraqi forces for the interim government. Which is its own thing. Also 8t seems like the mission was restarted, neet.
Also I must reiterate that members of an alliance being involved doesnt mean that the alliance as a whole is involved. Hell amongst that list half of the current NATO members werent even in NATO in 03. With Romania and Bulgaria not joining till 04, the Baltic nations till 04, Albania till 09, and Macedonia till 2020.
Hell looking at the list again ive noticed that quite a few of the countries at the time hadn’t been in conflict for awhile. So they may have been using fighting al-Qaeda as an excuse for live target exercises. Congrats dude you gave convinced me that Iraq was basically civil war era Spain, where in everyone tested their toys there cause it was a clusterfuck.