no, but nothing is so black and white. do you perhaps think that bullies should always be acquiesced to? that defending yourself from attackers is inherently and unilaterally immoral?
You tell a teacher or parent on a bully and they’ll punish them accordingly, or if you’re an adult you report them to your HR department or whereever. You don’t go and fucking shoot dead a bully. That’s not a sane solution to anything.
they’re the ones constantly (publicly) cheering for me and my kind to be dragged out of our homes and shot for virtue of being born either non-white or non-straight (depending on flavor of republican, maybe both).
I understand they’re discriminatory bigots, but Jesus are you overexaggerating. Like who is advocating for this? I want specific names and sources if you don’t mind, bonus points if they’re from prominent politicians.
the reason violence is no longer acceptable as a mechanism for political change is that we built a system to address grievances without it: our representative democracy. we rose above the need by using the law to ensure everyone can be heard
Exactly, that’s the point, we have a functioning system, so why are you trying to justify terrorism?
they’ve already thoroughly corrupted the highest courts in our country to do so. they intend to continue to close all reasonable avenues of political resolution specifically for the purpose of being able to call any resistance to their rule “terrorism”, as you just have. this itself is an act of political violence.
Assassinations aren’t resistance, what in the fuck are you talking about? Do you seriously not see the problem with self righteous assholes going on terrorism crusades killing political candidates they don’t like? That’s how we move from a stable democracy and into a failed state.
if I corner you in an alley with a gun so you have nowhere to run and tell you to give me your wallet, but I haven’t shot at you or even aimed it at you yet, does this make me non-violent? is it acceptable? would you fight back, or capitulate? how about if I then tell you to leave but not your partner?
What? These situations aren’t even remotely comparable. You’re trying so hard to justify terrorism that you’re not even being logically coherent. No, somebody shooting someone who’s directly threatening them in person as an act of self defense is vastly different from some rando shooting political candidates they don’t like.
the police won’t help you, they don’t help your kind, and you probably brought it upon yourself in their eyes.
Idk what alternative reality you live in, but here in the real world, terrorism is condemned and legitimate peaceful avenues are pursued. Trump should be prevented from becoming president again, but this is done by defeating him in the election, not by fucking killing him and turning him into a martyr. Trump should be brought to justice via the criminal justice system, which has already found him guilty of a crime, not by some self righteous rando shooting.
i was considering how to more fully reply to all this but it just seems more and more like you’re either intentionally being disingenuous or are maybe too oblivious to see that being put in the crosshair of 150+ million people’s violent, purity-obsessed, hate-driven political ideology is itself a mortal threat. i’m suspecting the prior given how clearly you muddy the analogy to insinuate that i somehow think it’s reasonable to shoot a schoolyard bully dead for pushing me on the playground, as though any sane human wouldn’t think that an overreaction.
but sure, a public plan to eliminate the political voice of any “woke enemies” (that’s anyone LGBT or non-servile women btw) by replacing public servants with staunch ideologically-aligned republican loyalists and leave us with no options to resist except violence definitely deserves no second thought. definitely should not be considered a threat, sure, ok.
a non-violent system of addressing political differences only works if everyone’s voice can be reasonably heard. the system is barely doing that now, and will shortly be stifling a lot more voices that aren’t ideologically aligned with nationalistic christian conservatism the moment they get the power to do so. if they’re shutting down the system that prevents violence, the result should seem obvious. violence is happening now because people are trying to use the system, and it’s failing, and it’s getting further disassembled and stacked against them right now. that alone is directly threatening - but the fact that they couple this with loud fear-mongering intended to stoke people into a fearful, hateful panic over the particular group of people (who are also simultaneously getting silenced) should worry you even more, because this circumstance is actually threatening.
there was anti-asian violence (and worse) during ww2 when the rhetoric was “dirty japanese people are going to kill you and your family”. there was anti-muslim violence after 9/11 when the rhetoric was “dirty brown people are coming to kill you because they hate america”. there was anti-asian violence (again) during covid when the rhetoric was “dirty asian people are intentionally bringing the wuhan virus over to kill you and your family”.
now the rhetoric is “lgbt people are coming to shoot your schools up and rape your kids” - and wow i sure wonder what will happen next. those gays better not feel threatened or it’ll ruin my peaceful sunday, right? with the planned republican loyalist capture of government and the justice system, i also sure wonder what will happen the first time some poor gay guy is stupid enough to defend himself from an “in person” (seemingly this matters to you) attack by hitting back at the american pure-blood super-straight patriot actively assaulting him. will the (gay-hating christian republican) system work to exonerate him (a disgusting gay man who probably rapes kids according to our news and politicians) before a (gay-hating christian republican) judge and a jury of his (gay-hating christian republican) peers? lol hmmmm no you’re right there’s no threat at all.
You tell a teacher or parent on a bully and they’ll punish them accordingly, or if you’re an adult you report them to your HR department or whereever. You don’t go and fucking shoot dead a bully. That’s not a sane solution to anything.
I understand they’re discriminatory bigots, but Jesus are you overexaggerating. Like who is advocating for this? I want specific names and sources if you don’t mind, bonus points if they’re from prominent politicians.
Exactly, that’s the point, we have a functioning system, so why are you trying to justify terrorism?
Assassinations aren’t resistance, what in the fuck are you talking about? Do you seriously not see the problem with self righteous assholes going on terrorism crusades killing political candidates they don’t like? That’s how we move from a stable democracy and into a failed state.
What? These situations aren’t even remotely comparable. You’re trying so hard to justify terrorism that you’re not even being logically coherent. No, somebody shooting someone who’s directly threatening them in person as an act of self defense is vastly different from some rando shooting political candidates they don’t like.
Idk what alternative reality you live in, but here in the real world, terrorism is condemned and legitimate peaceful avenues are pursued. Trump should be prevented from becoming president again, but this is done by defeating him in the election, not by fucking killing him and turning him into a martyr. Trump should be brought to justice via the criminal justice system, which has already found him guilty of a crime, not by some self righteous rando shooting.
i was considering how to more fully reply to all this but it just seems more and more like you’re either intentionally being disingenuous or are maybe too oblivious to see that being put in the crosshair of 150+ million people’s violent, purity-obsessed, hate-driven political ideology is itself a mortal threat. i’m suspecting the prior given how clearly you muddy the analogy to insinuate that i somehow think it’s reasonable to shoot a schoolyard bully dead for pushing me on the playground, as though any sane human wouldn’t think that an overreaction.
but sure, a public plan to eliminate the political voice of any “woke enemies” (that’s anyone LGBT or non-servile women btw) by replacing public servants with staunch ideologically-aligned republican loyalists and leave us with no options to resist except violence definitely deserves no second thought. definitely should not be considered a threat, sure, ok.
a non-violent system of addressing political differences only works if everyone’s voice can be reasonably heard. the system is barely doing that now, and will shortly be stifling a lot more voices that aren’t ideologically aligned with nationalistic christian conservatism the moment they get the power to do so. if they’re shutting down the system that prevents violence, the result should seem obvious. violence is happening now because people are trying to use the system, and it’s failing, and it’s getting further disassembled and stacked against them right now. that alone is directly threatening - but the fact that they couple this with loud fear-mongering intended to stoke people into a fearful, hateful panic over the particular group of people (who are also simultaneously getting silenced) should worry you even more, because this circumstance is actually threatening.
there was anti-asian violence (and worse) during ww2 when the rhetoric was “dirty japanese people are going to kill you and your family”. there was anti-muslim violence after 9/11 when the rhetoric was “dirty brown people are coming to kill you because they hate america”. there was anti-asian violence (again) during covid when the rhetoric was “dirty asian people are intentionally bringing the wuhan virus over to kill you and your family”.
now the rhetoric is “lgbt people are coming to shoot your schools up and rape your kids” - and wow i sure wonder what will happen next. those gays better not feel threatened or it’ll ruin my peaceful sunday, right? with the planned republican loyalist capture of government and the justice system, i also sure wonder what will happen the first time some poor gay guy is stupid enough to defend himself from an “in person” (seemingly this matters to you) attack by hitting back at the american pure-blood super-straight patriot actively assaulting him. will the (gay-hating christian republican) system work to exonerate him (a disgusting gay man who probably rapes kids according to our news and politicians) before a (gay-hating christian republican) judge and a jury of his (gay-hating christian republican) peers? lol hmmmm no you’re right there’s no threat at all.