I’m going to vote but damn can we at least acknowledge how depressing it is to be stuck in this position to begin with? If 2016 wasn’t a wake up call I really don’t know how we can snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity.
This. This election is Fascist Capitalism versus Fascist-Lite Capitalism, and any attempt to point to some minimal gains made via executive action (when the SC just killed Chevron Deference) since we can’t get actual change through Congress is whitewashing.
We literally cannot. We need a new party and we need to start making a lot of noise about that.
When Trump wins we need to kill the Democratic party entirely and start something new, but I have no idea how to get the money for that… The ultra wealthy that support Democrats aren’t going to help, they know the Democrats protect them…
All I know is there is no future for the Democratic party, or at least there really shouldn’t be…
We need a new party and we need to start making a lot of noise about that.
I’m still just thrown back to the 1968 convention, also in Chicago, when Dem voters made a bunch of noise and the Dem establishment dropped a giant police hammer on their heads.
This seems to be the political response to every outcry among Dem base voters. The conservative leaders are more gleeful when they unleash armies of police on your Gold Star Moms or your Palestinian protesters. But the liberal leaders are just as quick to put tanks in the streets and send SWAT in to start clubbing heads and filling prisons whenever your OWS types start getting out of line.
Oh man, Eric Adams, former police officer who ran on the famously standard “Democratic” platform of tough-on-crime in New York City?
Glad you didn’t cite some ridiculous outlier.
Gavin and UCLA, I have no idea though. I know he’s a Dem player of note, and that as Governor of CA he has different set of factors to juggle, but I don’t know what they are or what happened at UCLA. If he fucked up, he fucked up. Eric Adams however, yeah no.
Being in NY and interested in the movement I watched as they were coming up with excuses to push them out and had the corpo media gleefully trot around saying “no one even knows what they want! They are just lazy and disorganized!”
Wiki entry on OWS zuccotti park:
"Shortly after midnight on November 15, 2011, the New York City Police Department gave protesters notice from the park’s owner to leave Zuccotti Park due to its purportedly unsanitary and hazardous conditions. The notice stated that they could return without sleeping bags, tarps or tents.[77][78] About an hour later, police in riot gear began removing protesters from the park, arresting some 200 people in the process, including a number of journalists.
On December 31, 2011, protesters started to re-occupy the park.[79] Police in riot gear started to clear out the park around 1:30 am. Sixty-eight people were arrested in connection with the event, including one accused by media of stabbing a police officer in the hand with a pair of scissors.[80]
When the Zuccotti Park encampment was closed, some former campers were allowed to sleep in local churches.[81] After the closure of the Zuccotti Park encampment, the movement turned its focus on occupying banks, corporate headquarters, board meetings, foreclosed homes, college and university campuses, and Wall Street itself. As of March 15, 2012, since its inception the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York City had cost the city an estimated $17 million in overtime fees to provide policing of protests and encampment inside Zuccotti Park.[82][83][84]
On March 17, 2012, Occupy Wall Street demonstrators attempted to mark the movement’s six-month anniversary by reoccupying Zuccotti Park. Protesters were soon cleared away by police, who made over 70 arrests.[85][86] On March 24, hundreds of OWS protesters marched from Zuccotti Park to Union Square in a demonstration against police violence.[87]
On September 17, 2012, protesters returned to Zuccotti Park to mark the first anniversary of the beginning of the occupation. Protesters blocked access to the New York Stock Exchange as well as other intersections in the area. This, along with several violations of Zuccotti Park rules, led police to surround groups of protesters, at times pulling protesters from the crowds to be arrested for blocking pedestrian traffic. There were 185 arrests across the city."
Or, how about push for Ranked Choice Voting and reform/remove the Electoral College. Let’s make voting actually count and let people vote for who they actually want, not a lesser of two evils.
Then and ONLY then can we get some other parties in the mix with a shot. Otherwise it’s going to be the same it’s always been, 3rd party loses under the flood of people voting for 1 of 2.
Those 2 goals are achievable, some states already have RCV. Let’s get it on the ballot everywhere and make it happen.
Wake up call for what? They won last election with a corporate candidate and have a decent chance of doing it this time too. Like the post says, they don’t care that much about losing, their life isn’t threatened by it.
The only thing that can be done is to keep on voting for the non-fascist candidate hoping that one day both of the main parties will present one that fits the category.
I’m going to vote but damn can we at least acknowledge how depressing it is to be stuck in this position to begin with? If 2016 wasn’t a wake up call I really don’t know how we can snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity.
You can’t “snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity” because “corporate controlled mediocrity” is the point.
What? You actually thought they “represented” you?
This. This election is Fascist Capitalism versus Fascist-Lite Capitalism, and any attempt to point to some minimal gains made via executive action (when the SC just killed Chevron Deference) since we can’t get actual change through Congress is whitewashing.
We literally cannot. We need a new party and we need to start making a lot of noise about that.
When Trump wins we need to kill the Democratic party entirely and start something new, but I have no idea how to get the money for that… The ultra wealthy that support Democrats aren’t going to help, they know the Democrats protect them…
All I know is there is no future for the Democratic party, or at least there really shouldn’t be…
I’m still just thrown back to the 1968 convention, also in Chicago, when Dem voters made a bunch of noise and the Dem establishment dropped a giant police hammer on their heads.
This seems to be the political response to every outcry among Dem base voters. The conservative leaders are more gleeful when they unleash armies of police on your Gold Star Moms or your Palestinian protesters. But the liberal leaders are just as quick to put tanks in the streets and send SWAT in to start clubbing heads and filling prisons whenever your OWS types start getting out of line.
That’s utter bullshit. Cite your sources.
Democrats are quick to attack peaceful protests? The fuck they are.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcklAKANtKM
Mayor Eric Adams unleashed the full force of the NYPD on Columbia student protesters.
You’ll find the same thing happening at UCLA under Gruesome Gavin.
Oh man, Eric Adams, former police officer who ran on the famously standard “Democratic” platform of tough-on-crime in New York City?
Glad you didn’t cite some ridiculous outlier.
Gavin and UCLA, I have no idea though. I know he’s a Dem player of note, and that as Governor of CA he has different set of factors to juggle, but I don’t know what they are or what happened at UCLA. If he fucked up, he fucked up. Eric Adams however, yeah no.
Don’t No True Scotsman just because a Democrat happened to also be a fascist.
When the water wars come for us, all the Democrats will be fascists.
Nope.
Holy crap… what fairy tale alternative version of the US do you live in?
Being in NY and interested in the movement I watched as they were coming up with excuses to push them out and had the corpo media gleefully trot around saying “no one even knows what they want! They are just lazy and disorganized!”
Wiki entry on OWS zuccotti park:
"Shortly after midnight on November 15, 2011, the New York City Police Department gave protesters notice from the park’s owner to leave Zuccotti Park due to its purportedly unsanitary and hazardous conditions. The notice stated that they could return without sleeping bags, tarps or tents.[77][78] About an hour later, police in riot gear began removing protesters from the park, arresting some 200 people in the process, including a number of journalists.
On December 31, 2011, protesters started to re-occupy the park.[79] Police in riot gear started to clear out the park around 1:30 am. Sixty-eight people were arrested in connection with the event, including one accused by media of stabbing a police officer in the hand with a pair of scissors.[80]
When the Zuccotti Park encampment was closed, some former campers were allowed to sleep in local churches.[81] After the closure of the Zuccotti Park encampment, the movement turned its focus on occupying banks, corporate headquarters, board meetings, foreclosed homes, college and university campuses, and Wall Street itself. As of March 15, 2012, since its inception the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York City had cost the city an estimated $17 million in overtime fees to provide policing of protests and encampment inside Zuccotti Park.[82][83][84]
On March 17, 2012, Occupy Wall Street demonstrators attempted to mark the movement’s six-month anniversary by reoccupying Zuccotti Park. Protesters were soon cleared away by police, who made over 70 arrests.[85][86] On March 24, hundreds of OWS protesters marched from Zuccotti Park to Union Square in a demonstration against police violence.[87]
On September 17, 2012, protesters returned to Zuccotti Park to mark the first anniversary of the beginning of the occupation. Protesters blocked access to the New York Stock Exchange as well as other intersections in the area. This, along with several violations of Zuccotti Park rules, led police to surround groups of protesters, at times pulling protesters from the crowds to be arrested for blocking pedestrian traffic. There were 185 arrests across the city."
So - where’s “the democrats” being “they”?
Or, how about push for Ranked Choice Voting and reform/remove the Electoral College. Let’s make voting actually count and let people vote for who they actually want, not a lesser of two evils.
Then and ONLY then can we get some other parties in the mix with a shot. Otherwise it’s going to be the same it’s always been, 3rd party loses under the flood of people voting for 1 of 2.
Those 2 goals are achievable, some states already have RCV. Let’s get it on the ballot everywhere and make it happen.
Wake up call for what? They won last election with a corporate candidate and have a decent chance of doing it this time too. Like the post says, they don’t care that much about losing, their life isn’t threatened by it.
The only thing that can be done is to keep on voting for the non-fascist candidate hoping that one day both of the main parties will present one that fits the category.