The Islamic Center Hamburg (IZH) was under investigation for several months over its alleged support for Lebanon’s Hezbollah group which is backed by Iran. Hezbollah is classified as a terrorist group by Germany.
German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday that the Islamic Center Hamburg (IZH) would be banned for propagating extremism and that its famous “Blue Mosque” was being searched by police.
“It is very important to me to make a clear distinction here: we are not acting against a religion,” Faeser said, but just against a group accused of undermining the German state as well as women’s rights.
The Imam Ali Mosque, known locally as the Blue Mosque, is one of Germany’s oldest mosques and is operated by the IZH.
I wish more people understood this. It’s like the people cheering on the Houthis, who use child soldiers and have been responsible for the deaths of thousands of them.
Just because they are fighting Israel does not necessarily make them the good guys.
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Sorry… my own children have to be killed for me to find recruiting child soldiers to be a bad thing?
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Please clarify this for me: Are you saying that it is good that the Houthis are using child soldiers?
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That is not an answer. I will clarify, and give you one more chance to answer a yes or no question: Are you justifying the Houthis’ use of child soldiers which is, under no shadow of a doubt, a war crime, even in internal conflicts?
https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/child-soldiers
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A moderator who is deciding whether or not you get to stay here. Now, please answer the question.
Cheering on the Houthis because they are protecting their people from Saudi Arabia and America. The people responsible for their deaths are the ones dropping bombs on the children.
Once Saudi Arabia isn’t dropping American bombs on Yemeni school buses, then I can criticize the Houthis.
Are you justifying the use of child soldiers? It is a war crime.
I am against the use of child soldiers, but I’m not going to talk about the Houthi’s because our criticism of the Houthi’s can have no effect on whether they use child soldiers, but it does have effect of supporting western action against them, which includes induced famine and bombing schools and hospitals.
You see how blatant it is when Israelis talk about LGBT+ rights in Gaza as if gays are immune to Israeli bombs. It’s no different pretending to care about children in Yemen while bombing and starving those same Yemeni children.
This is about whether the Houthis are a good group or not.
So you are arguing that a group that commits war crimes is good as long as they are fighting Israel and Saudi Arabia. Correct?
You understand that Israel and Saudi Arabia are committing far, far worse war crime here?
Resisting annihilation is good. I’m making no statements on whether the group would be good in a vacuum because that’s not useful for anything except justifying even greater war crimes.
They are not committing war crimes in a vacuum. They are committing war crimes right now. Those war crimes involve killing thousands of children.
I will give you one more chance, as a moderator, to clarify your position. Not with whatabouts, not with whether or not some of what they are doing is good.
Are they good? Yes or no.
Such a simple evaluation misses context and nuance.
But no, they’re not good, but they’re infinitely better than the guys dropping bombs my country supplies on their schools.
Thank you, then we are in agreement. But I don’t think whatabouts are necessary. Two bad groups can fight each other and the outcome can be a good thing regardless.
Consider: Stalin fought Hitler and Hitler would not have been defeated without him. That doesn’t make Stalin a good guy. He was also a mass-murderer. It meant he was necessary to defeat another bad guy.
Many things are war crimes, I don’t see anyone getting worked up over it. International law is “only for africans” as one official has put it to the ICC.
Are you justifying the use of child soldiers?
No. I’m just saying that just throwing that as a gotcha moment isn’t worth anything nowadays. You can’t spin an entire conversation around the fact X entity is committing/aiding war crimes. At that point you’d have more reasons to hate your own country than the Houthis most likely. It’s just a way to deflect from the conversation: “oh look that guy is justifying use of child soldiers”, says the guy sitting in a home probably 90% filled with products built by child workers from China, while wearing clothes made in Uyghur concentration camps. It’s completely besides the mark
There is no moral quandary here. Either using child soldiers makes a group bad or not. Killing children is either a bad thing or it isn’t.