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      Murder is the killing of a human. You can’t murder a non-human.

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          It’s in the definition. Murder is the killing of one human being by another. Vegan fanatics try to shame everyone else by calling it murder but it just makes me laugh. They try so very hard but just sound silly.

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            pedantry is an incredible argumentative strategy. Truly unstoppable. Why think critically when you can read a dictionary instead?

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              Dismissing the truth as pedantry doesn’t change the fact that it’s the truth. Your beliefs don’t change reality.

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                Using linguistic prescriptivism to shut down an argument and calling it “the truth” and “reality” to avoid thinking about what somebody means when they say a word is… certainly something

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                  Fanatics try to expand the meanings of words to make their message more inflammatory in an attempt to bully and shame people who don’t agree with them into doing what they want. It’s a standard play from the extremist playbook.

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                    People use words in varied ways to make rhetorical points and get people to consider things they might not have otherwise. Oh no! I’m sorry that cognitive dissonance is stressful

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      If you like: pretending that killing an animal is morally equivalent to killing a human

      You should try: growing a brain

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        When did I say that? My statement points out that rituals to make yourself feel better about killing an animal do not change that animal’s experience of being killed or the moral weight of that action

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          You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder, and you said it again just now. Why does killing an animal for food carry any moral weight? Cheetahs don’t get any flak for hunting caribou.

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            A human is an animal too, so i might kill it for food with no moral weight to it. Great.

            But if you compare yourself to a cheetah, I get that your intellect and morals are just… Primal 😁

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              So to be clear you are officially saying that killing an animal is morally equivalent to killing a human?

              • Dyskolos
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                I actually didn’t say anything and just followed this dude’s logic. But actually I’d say it’s not equivalent. The non-human animals are always innocent. Man is rarely.

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                  Oh, I disagree. Ant colonies go to war with each other all the time. Basically all mammal species see every male in a 5-mile radius fight to the death over a single female. I’m curious what exactly it is the animals are supposed to be innocent of.

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                    They don’t act on intellect. They just do without knowing what they’re actually do. If a dog kicks over your vase, do you see malignant intent? Is the ant-colony going to war for survival acting on greed or lust or the desire to spill blood?

                    Do they rape because they despise women? Do they kill because they love the control? Do they build political systems made to opress the dumb and/or weak? Do they actually have crab-mentality like we do? Do they actually destroy the planet for their own desires to own as much stuff as possible?

                    I probably could go on for ages but you get the picture. We do most things while knowing better. We do horrible things, even though we know what others feel. We do most things with intent and knowledge.

                    We might be innocent as long as we’re a toddler crawling around the world, knowing nothing. But now we buy cheap shit made in china, knowing very well that we keep horrible slavery running this way. We know and we ignore. Examples are legion, but you live on this planet too, so you know.

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            You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder

            I didn’t, actually

            and you said it again just now

            I didn’t, actually

            Why does killing an animal for food carry any moral weight?

            Because humans aren’t special unique beings with souls that make us the only ones with moral worth. Many animals are capable of suffering and emotion.

            Cheetahs don’t get any flak for hunting caribou.

            We are the ones with the social system allowing for moral frameworks to guide our decisionmaking. Cheetahs aren’t moral agents. And if they are, they follow cheetah morality. Plus, they are obligate carnivores anyway (which is why your cat should not be deprived of meat)

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              You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder

              I didn’t, actually

              Yes you did, that’s what the word “murder” means

              your cat shouldn’t be deprived of meat

              All right then. Do you believe that owning a cat is immoral, since in order for the cat to thrive, creatures with souls must die?

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                There are no creatures with souls. But no, I wouldn’t say keeping a cat in general is immoral. There are definitely ethical concerns around things like kitten breeding mills and letting cats roam around outdoors, though

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                    We are the ones with the social system allowing for moral frameworks to guide our decisionmaking. Cheetahs aren’t moral agents … Plus, they are obligate carnivores anyway (which is why your cat should not be deprived of meat)

                    please act in good faith or let me know that you’re not interested in doing so