conflict with established Leftist theory and history,
Nothing I have said conflicts with leftist theory and history in any way whatsoever. What I have said does conflict with Marxist-Lennist “theory” and “history” - not really sure whether that can be called leftist, though.
Transferring power from the Bourgeoisie to Democratic institutions and councils is the goal and history of Marxism.
Oh… is that what the Bolsheviks were doing? I guess they just happened to hijack the soviets through anti-democratic means purely by accident, then?
and that which validate Class Society in Capitalism
So class society is good as long as it’s not capitalist, eh? Do tell - what class do you imagine yourself to be in your idealized, faux-socialist utopia? Let me guess… the class that doesn’t have to do all the hard and dangerous work with barely even a smidgen of the labour protection workers in the imperial core get?
More random jabs, childish and unproductive.
No, really, Clyde - where does the institutionalized monopoly of violence reside in a hierarchical society?
Care to explain why democratic states that control industry,
The state does not represent the working class.
The state will never represent the working class.
If the state controls the means of production, it means the working class doesn’t.
The state will only ever represent the interests of the small elite that control it’s apparatus. You know this perfectly well - and you believe yourself entitled to be a member of that elite that are (supposedly) qualified to dictate material conditions to the working class “for it’s own good”.
Everything you say merely exists to dress up that fact in socialist-sounding discourse designed to hide that you view the working class as little more than something that exists to facilitate your utopian fantasies. I’d say they were utopian fantasies that was doomed to failure - but delivering socialism isn’t really the point to you and yours, is it?
You are not just anti-democratic - you are fundamentally anti-socialist.
I don’t see how you plan on achieving any leftist goals
What “leftist goals” can someone who only has loyalty to a technocratic elite have? You are no less classist than the liberals and capitalists - we have no goals in common.
Let me repeat that - me and you have no goals in common.
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Nothing I have said conflicts with leftist theory and history in any way whatsoever. What I have said does conflict with Marxist-Lennist “theory” and “history” - not really sure whether that can be called leftist, though.
Oh… is that what the Bolsheviks were doing? I guess they just happened to hijack the soviets through anti-democratic means purely by accident, then?
So class society is good as long as it’s not capitalist, eh? Do tell - what class do you imagine yourself to be in your idealized, faux-socialist utopia? Let me guess… the class that doesn’t have to do all the hard and dangerous work with barely even a smidgen of the labour protection workers in the imperial core get?
No, really, Clyde - where does the institutionalized monopoly of violence reside in a hierarchical society?
The state does not represent the working class.
The state will never represent the working class.
If the state controls the means of production, it means the working class doesn’t.
The state will only ever represent the interests of the small elite that control it’s apparatus. You know this perfectly well - and you believe yourself entitled to be a member of that elite that are (supposedly) qualified to dictate material conditions to the working class “for it’s own good”.
Everything you say merely exists to dress up that fact in socialist-sounding discourse designed to hide that you view the working class as little more than something that exists to facilitate your utopian fantasies. I’d say they were utopian fantasies that was doomed to failure - but delivering socialism isn’t really the point to you and yours, is it?
You are not just anti-democratic - you are fundamentally anti-socialist.
What “leftist goals” can someone who only has loyalty to a technocratic elite have? You are no less classist than the liberals and capitalists - we have no goals in common.
Let me repeat that - me and you have no goals in common.