I’m glad that despite the good they did, we are starting to call out these awful people from history.
Yes they did great things for the world or country, but they’re still shitty human beings. Some, straight up evil.
Thomas Jefferson comes to mind, also Winston Churchill.
I generally give leeway to historical figures as products of their time, but holy fuck, how racist do you have to be to be more racist than average in the 1910s USA!?
Wilson answered. With segregation of the Federal government and assurance to prominent figures in the Black community that they should know their place and be grateful.
I mean even the founding fathers I don’t give leeway to. Jefferson and Washington shouldn’t be excused for being slave owners when people like John and Samuel Adams, their contemporaries were staunchly anti slavery and saw it as evil.
If a man in your own time can tell you that what you’re doing is evil, there’s no excuse imo. Like if all of society sees a thing as normal ok, but there were plenty of people in Jefferson’s time telling him to his face that being a slave owner was wrong, but his response always amounted to “yeah but it would be so hard for me to be rich and comfy without them”
I give no leeway to Jefferson, but some to Washington, who did turn against slavery after the American Revolution and never expressed the level of racism that Jefferson did.
The slaves Washington didn’t free in his will were ones he, legally, could not. Washington made plans to free his slaves before he died, but he was one of the largest debtors in America, having gone deep into debt funding the American Revolution, and couldn’t find a buyer for Mount Vernon that would have allowed him to pay his debts and retire.
Ideally, Washington would have freed his slaves regardless, and his attitude in the end is that of a stuffy old patrician more interested in doing right things the ‘right’ way than doing right things in a timely manner. But I think that’s not unreasonable to expect of a man of his upbringing and era. He was deeply flawed, and a man of his time.
Jefferson, on the other hand? Making outrageous purchases and expansions to your house and then pleading debt as to the reason why he totally couldn’t free his slaves? Fuck him.
I learned a lot recently about how many landowners and even founding fathers motivation to split from great Britain, was based on their hopes that it would wipe out their huge debts in England.
Not as selfless about Liberty as it’s always been claimed.
I’m glad that despite the good they did, we are starting to call out these awful people from history. Yes they did great things for the world or country, but they’re still shitty human beings. Some, straight up evil. Thomas Jefferson comes to mind, also Winston Churchill.
I generally give leeway to historical figures as products of their time, but holy fuck, how racist do you have to be to be more racist than average in the 1910s USA!?
Wilson answered. With segregation of the Federal government and assurance to prominent figures in the Black community that they should know their place and be grateful.
Fuck Wilson, man. KKK revisionist fuck.
I mean even the founding fathers I don’t give leeway to. Jefferson and Washington shouldn’t be excused for being slave owners when people like John and Samuel Adams, their contemporaries were staunchly anti slavery and saw it as evil.
If a man in your own time can tell you that what you’re doing is evil, there’s no excuse imo. Like if all of society sees a thing as normal ok, but there were plenty of people in Jefferson’s time telling him to his face that being a slave owner was wrong, but his response always amounted to “yeah but it would be so hard for me to be rich and comfy without them”
I give no leeway to Jefferson, but some to Washington, who did turn against slavery after the American Revolution and never expressed the level of racism that Jefferson did.
At least he freed most of his slaves in his will. Jefferson only freed like 5 out of hundreds
The slaves Washington didn’t free in his will were ones he, legally, could not. Washington made plans to free his slaves before he died, but he was one of the largest debtors in America, having gone deep into debt funding the American Revolution, and couldn’t find a buyer for Mount Vernon that would have allowed him to pay his debts and retire.
Ideally, Washington would have freed his slaves regardless, and his attitude in the end is that of a stuffy old patrician more interested in doing right things the ‘right’ way than doing right things in a timely manner. But I think that’s not unreasonable to expect of a man of his upbringing and era. He was deeply flawed, and a man of his time.
Jefferson, on the other hand? Making outrageous purchases and expansions to your house and then pleading debt as to the reason why he totally couldn’t free his slaves? Fuck him.
I learned a lot recently about how many landowners and even founding fathers motivation to split from great Britain, was based on their hopes that it would wipe out their huge debts in England. Not as selfless about Liberty as it’s always been claimed.