On stuff outside of lemmygrad, we are receiving a lot of hate, especially by those who just moved from Reddit. Guess they lost their hidden privilege at Reddit as their rhetoric used to be almost universal over there, while genzedong and our other subs get censored and banned. And now, on lemmy, their stuff isn’t universal, as we are more prevalent here. Seems like they really want that hidden privilege back

    • PeeOnYou
      22•2 years ago

      i hate to say it, but i don’t want the network effect taking off. in fact, that’s a sign it’s time to leave. is it possible to ever just have a smallish community where real discussion and ideas can flourish without the rest of the US dragging everything down to the lowest common denominator?

      • @[email protected]
        17•2 years ago

        It’s like those guys who say “I’m not joining fediverse because it’s full of weird people”. I mean, good riddance

      • Red Wizard 🪄
        17•2 years ago

        I guess you have to ask yourself, are we spreading ideas and looking to chip away at the predominant hegemony, or do we want to self isolate?

        One of the nice things about lemmy.ml is that it starts from a far left perspective and as a result of reddits own unmaking, places normies in a position of no longer being the predominant opinion in the room.

        This has two outcomes from what I can guess:

        1. Normies show up in droves, and their perspectives shift as a result of having to defend their point of view for once.
        2. Normies show up, but leave because they can’t handle not being able to call forth the shibaliths they’re so accustom to, and having their points of view challenged on equal grounds.
          • Red Wizard 🪄
            12•2 years ago

            You think they’re going to take over lemmygrad, or hexbear? The thing about federation is that you can avoid the outcome you’re talking about by only federating with communities that share our values.

      • Comrade Boina
        9•2 years ago

        Isn’t that what the entire federation point is? We can keep this community and keep it insular.

        To expect that lemmy as a whole can remotely be the same as lemmygrad is delusional and indicative of being way too online. If anything having lemmy as a whole being more moderate and broader based is a propagandistic tool (not that it even matters that much, online is fake, join a party).

        Gramscian hegemonic analysis with regards to the superstructural “war” is silly as fuck and a huge waste of time. We will never have hegemony offline or online under capitalism, the smart response is to adapt, propagate our ideas where it makes sense, and act strategically.

        Honestly for me online is mostly a venting space, I see literally zero value over debating libs in that area. Pushing a counter narrative has some use yes, but even then that impact is minimal, and conclusive to at best the worst recruits you can possibly imagine.

        edit: it’s also a dogshit habit when it comes to mass work where you have to interact with countless ideologically backwards elements in the organized working class. You will never find purity. Going full guns blazing on libs is a time and place and contextual situation and you need to learn how to not flip the fuck out over backwards and even reactionary ideas in those settings, because doing that will lead you to never be able to stamp them out amongst the masses.

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        • @[email protected]
          25•2 years ago

          Can you just not? One of the reasons I love this place other than for the marxism and such, is because they don’t allow transphobia and I am sick of constantly seeing transphobia everywhere, especially online. I’m trans, and just seeing the casual transphobia everywhere just like, it weighs me down, makes me depressed. I also don’t like being harassed either for being trans unless you think people wanting the right not to be harassed is an “echochamber” to?

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              • Sleepless OneEnglish
                12•2 years ago

                People here have gotten and answered good faith questions over the past week. It’s when people roll in accusing us of being genocidal monsters and go for dunking over dialogue that the ban hammer gets used.

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            • @[email protected]
              11•2 years ago

              Let me clarify a little. When you say “can i just have my little echochamber please” belittling, it makes me feel like you want anyone to come here, like reactionaries and for them to say whatever they want to more or less. In which it will just be used as an entry point by reactionaries and the rest to bring all that reactionary stuff over here, bog things down and bring transphobia or racism and such. I’m not exactly sure how to word exactly what I mean right now but I’ll quote Lenin since it feels relevant to what I am trying to poorly say. I think misterslime12 linked comic says it best to.

              We are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand. We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire. We have combined, by a freely adopted decision, for the purpose of fighting the enemy, and not of retreating into the neighbouring marsh, the inhabitants of which, from the very outset, have reproached us with having separated ourselves into an exclusive group and with having chosen the path of struggle instead of the path of conciliation. And now some among us begin to cry out: Let us go into the marsh! And when we begin to shame them, they retort: What backward people you are! Are you not ashamed to deny us the liberty to invite you to take a better road! Oh, yes, gentlemen! You are free not only to invite us, but to go yourselves wherever you will, even into the marsh. In fact, we think that the marsh is your proper place, and we are prepared to render you every assistance to get there. Only let go of our hands, don’t clutch at us and don’t besmirch the grand word freedom, for we too are “free” to go where we please, free to fight not only against the marsh, but also against those who are turning towards the marsh!

              From “What Is To Be Done?” by Lenin.

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                -8•2 years ago

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                • @[email protected]
                  9•2 years ago

                  I’m gonna stop engaging since it feels like I shouldn’t reply, I’m also really sleepy and I might be poorly articulating myself again, but I just want to say like. No one here literally thinks China and Russia are perfect countries that has done no wrong. That just ideological nonsense and not grounded in reality. You can find criticism of Russia or China on here if you use the search here. I saw a discussion on here about criticism of Stalin weeks ago. Along with that, said criticism are informed and not influenced by western or anticommunism propaganda or capitalist propaganda. There is a ton of western and anticommunism propaganda out there. Like seriously there a ton.

                  But to add, no country is perfect, there gonna be mistakes. However what tends to happen is like. The west tends to make mountains out of mole hills, twists what actually happen or makes non-existent things that never even happen, see Radio Free Asia that’s ran by the CIA. Another example, the United States said how Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but they didn’t, yet people still trust the U.S or it’s media that pushed it? Why wouldn’t the United States and western media also mislead/lie about Russia or China to?

                  Another issue with “criticism” of these places is that a lot are unfounded and are used to push imperialism, capitalism, and colonialism and their apologia. The U.S accusing Iraq of having WMD’s is an example of that to, as it help pushed for an invasion into Iraq. There are plenty of other examples out there to, too many to count.

        • @[email protected]
          14•2 years ago

          -someone who came from reddit (imagine coming from reddit and calling anywhere at all an echochamber im fucking dying lmao)