A record number of athletes openly identifying as LGBTQ+ are competing in the 2024 Paris Olympics, a massive leap during a competition that organizers have pushed to center around inclusion and diversity.
There are 191 athletes publicly saying they are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, queer and nonbinary who are participating in the Games, according to Outsports, an organization that compiles a database of openly queer Olympians. The vast majority of the athletes are women.
That number has quashed the previous record of 186 out athletes counted at the COVID-19-delayed Tokyo Olympics held in 2021, and the count is only expected to grow at future Olympics.
“More and more people are coming out,” said Jim Buzinski, co-founder of Outsports. “They realize it’s important to be visible because there’s no other way to get representation.”
What you’re saying is, that trans women/girls who have gone through a transition before puberty are physically equal to born women. You clearly agree that there must be some regulation at least onto when the transition happened.
The sports organizations which allow trans atheletes do exactly that. Example:
https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/049-9_exhibit_i.pdf
“the International Olympic Committee (IOC) determined criteria by which a transgender woman may be eligible to compete in the female category, requiring total serum testosterone levels to be suppressed below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to and during competition.”
Good enough for the Olympics? Good enough for me!
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Sorry to correct, but it absolutely is the world we live in. You’re fighting to change it.
End of the day, transitioning has many downsides and massive toll. Sorry, but maybe competing has to be one of them. Your example of pre puberty child that then goes to compete doesn’t exist, right? Every example brought up is about someone who transitioned after their bodies were “done” growing.
As you said, don’t paint it black and white when there is whole lot of grey on both sides.
Why does competing need to be a downside of transitioning? Why does transitioning need any or more downsides?
The original post in this thread was entirely black and white, saying it should be decided at birth. Where’s the nuance there?
Where are the trans athletes that are ruining female sports at? Shouldnt we have at least something real to be afraid of? What about men’s sports? Noone wants to talk about trans males for some reason, why dont you take issue with them?
Simply, tough.
I’m not writing an essay to address your numerous of accusations because that’s been done to death. You’re not interested anyway and only want to argue in bad faith. You’re just fishing for a gotcha. If all you want is a reason for you to justify dismissing comments, why not just move on?
Asking you to clarify or defend your position is acting in bad faith? I’m sorry you are too tired to engage but thats not my fault. I’m not sure what I would do with a gotcha anyways, I’m not on social media and I dont have anyone to share it with.
Feel free to come back and defend your perspective whenever though, I’ll see it in my replies I’m sure.
You might be right, it is a mental fatigue. It’s a mine field, be it reddit or Lemmy, they’re the same. People are looking for any examples to justify lunging for the throat.
Its not a pretty subject and I have no nice way of saying it. So I’ll refrain of diving in deeper. As I said, it’s tough and sacrifices have to be made. This is one of them and I’m fin e with them being self regulated and not being called transphobes where public disagrees. I can only comment on things I compete in, and they’re all open formats so it’s a non issue. But I wouldn’t dismiss others and their opinions because it does make sense, steroids and body altering meds are not allowed.
I think we might be well past the days of honest natural sport. Thats not me saying we should be cheating, but trying to get back to that isnt possible, we have to figure this out moving forward not just for women or trans people but for all the other ways science affects sports.
Its not natural that someone with enough money for the best training science can provide them is almost guaranteed to be in the top percentiles of their sport.
What’s interesting is that this has been true since at least roman times, with funding going towards training and gear, even if the participants themselves might not be wealthy.
There’s also the fact that there are hormone variations across cisgender people.
Wasn’t there some sort of controversy a few years ago where a cis woman participant(cant remember if it was the olympics or not)tested high in her natural testosterone levels and was prevented from competing because it gave her an advantage or something?
So it’s possible for some cis women to have naturally higher testosterone levels than some trans women.
Hormones are a lot more complex than we think and I feel like all these keyboard endocrinologists are overconfident in their understanding of hormones and how they effect the body.
Experts are still studying this stuff, and if they say there’s no significant advantage I’m inclined to believe them. Besides, most anti trans people didn’t give a fuck about women’s sports until it gave them an opportunity to be hateful.
This.
Trust the expert and the studies. Opinions equals shit against the reality.