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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18217536
*“We will coup whoever we want! Deal with *it.”
Elon Musk, 25 July 2020, Twitter
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18217536
*“We will coup whoever we want! Deal with *it.”
Elon Musk, 25 July 2020, Twitter
People will gobble down the spoon fed media narrative very happily without critical thought.
It would be great if people spoke to Venezuelans about this instead of playing the “US bad” tape. Every opposition party is against this, not just the neoliberals: https://acento.com.do/amp/internacional/partido-comunista-de-venezuela-la-democracia-y-la-paz-amenazada-por-el-ente-electoral-9375572.html
PS: and this one is related to that too https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-60120667
Yes I know our government in the United States has plenty of blood on its hands especially in South america. And as a socialist myself I automatically have sympathy for the Socialists. However I’m not ideologically anything per se at least not anything that’s incompatible with democracy. Something Maduro seems highly incompatible with.
I really wish we’d stay out of it especially announcing anyone as the winner. But by the same token I still want the receipts public and the will of the people represented even if it’s the far right party that won. Because otherwise you go down the path of leninism and all the damage they’ve done.
I watched the full OEA meeting and there were lots of countries besides the US that had strong words against Maduro’s stunts, particularly countries that used to be dictatorships (some backed by the US) who a democratic Venezuela at the time strongly criticized and cut ties with until they returned to democracy again and these countries now feel like they owe Venezuela the same support at this time. It was very moving. Anybody out there who thinks this is just about the US, oil or left/right knows nothing about Latin America’s dark history with dictators.
Yep and that is absolutely fine. I just think that the United States isn’t going to make anything clearer or Easier by stepping in. Giving official proclamations and statements. Due to our history with the region.
Yes, I agree. No troops, support whatever the Latin American states say, they know what they’re doing. Coming out swinging doesn’t help.
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I would have the tiniest bit of respect for Maduro if he had just told everyone that democracy was suspended and that he was dictator for life and stop making fools of his voters, neighbouring countries and international institutions. At least this would not destabilize the democracies in the rest of SA. Maybe the next Bolsonaro will try this new trick to stay in power and you people will eat it up if he says “US bad”. It’s so easy.
1 - i said maduro is a dictator 2 - Maybe the us would overthrow the al saoud family who ruled for bit less than 100 years. Oh wait they won’t because it’s us puppet
No, the idea here is not to pretend to be a democracy and to go when you lose that’s all. The Saudis and the Cubans in charge can do whatever they want while their people let them.
(I can’t see what you said anymore, btw)
Us should stop acting like they care about democracy when it’s action say otherwise
I don’t listen to the US on this issue, they are not an honest broker. I listen to Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Argentina, Peru, Mexico, Uruguay, etc. Hay más mundo y intenciones por ahi que solo los Estados Unidos y a la maioria no les gusta lo que está haciendo Maduro.
I’m not disagreeing with the idea of protesting the results. I’m just replying to your statement that the us is not bad
Totally, I have read what they have to say. I’ve listen to podcasts interviewing Venezuelans. Thanks
Hey everyone, this person knows what’s going on. They’ve listened to podcasts.
Can’t say I’m proud of it.
They are brought up to think that way. If it doesn’t come from a US/Nato approved source it must be propaganda.
THIS is what you think is real journalism?
No facts, just a gruesome opinion of people who talk down to voters (who at best misunderstand what is happening) like they are cattle. Don’t forget that even if Maduro’s aggregate results were legitimate, the opposition would have about half the vote, so a worthy leader would do everything possible to be transparent, patient and apaciguador, not this inflamatory fascist bullshit. These people couldn’t spot a fascist in front of them even if it hit them in the head with a shovel.
Yes, it’s disappointing when we have John Bolton on camera admitting to a coup.
Once the US tries to coup you once, every military dictatorship is allowed, so long as it blames the US for everything. Got it.
If the US doesn’t want to be blamed for coups, maybe they should stop trying to topple sovereign governments.
So now you decided that the venezuelan population should take one for your “team”. All that was wrong with Pinochet was that he didn’t sing the international socialist, everything else was cool, wasn’t it?
No, it was not:
you missed the point, but let Maduro rule 6 more years and keep the tally. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_Penal if you care
The U.S. doesn’t care about Venezuelan citizens, it cares about oil.
That’s ok, Venezuelan citizens don’t care about you either.
The U.S. has caused coups, therefore all coups are caused by the U.S. is faulty logic.
Pooh-Pooh
That really is not a rebuttal to your faulty logic.