I suppose college is “optional” in a way but the other options were sold to us as not good enough and if we took them we weren’t working hard enough.
So you take the route you think you are supposed to where you work hard in school and take out a loan then you realize you were lied to and you can’t afford to reasonably pay it all back. So yeah kids going to college are given a choice but it’s not framed in that way and they are shamed into it in some cases.
On the other hand everyone is supposed to pay taxes so why shouldn’t the rich pay their fair share? Were they tricked into being rich? Are they struggling? Do they really need to be “stimulated”?
I suppose college is “optional” in a way but the other options were sold to us as not good enough and if we took them we weren’t working hard enough.
Republicans aren’t the ones who did most of the selling.
So you take the route you think you are supposed to where you work hard in school and take out a loan then you realize you were lied to and you can’t afford to reasonably pay it all back.
Makes you wonder if “education” lied to you in other ways.
So yeah kids going to college are given a choice but it’s not framed in that way and they are shamed into it in some cases.
I agree, I definitely was, and wasted some money on it- but at least realized it wasn’t worth going into debt to try, and instead went abroad for a fraction of the price.
On the other hand everyone is supposed to pay taxes so why shouldn’t the rich pay their fair share?
Why does the “fair share” always go up for everyone(not just the rich)? If its really about providing a service, why does the price increase infinitely with income? If I order a pizza and earn $10k a year then its $10 for a pizza? But if I earn $10B a year the pizza should automatically scale to a $10M pizza? What makes that pizza worth $10M? If its because the rich person wants more toppings and better quality, why not charge for those things, rather than just assuming they do and charging them more? If its about the fact that they can afford to help other people pay for pizza, ok thats a fair position, but they are then by definition paying more than their fair share.
I can tell by your fear of education that you probably chose not to go to college.
You do learn things in college just not necessarily the things you think you went there to learn.
Also it wasn’t the teachers who sold us on college. it was our parents and society and the colleges themselves and yes some of those people were most definitely Republican. This isn’t a dems vs Republicans issue really. It’s rich vs poor.
I can tell by your fear of education that you probably chose not to go to college.
I can tell by your not reading my comment, that you just wanted to insult me. I said I went to college… I did drop out because I was more happy working.
You do learn things in college just not necessarily the things you think you went there to learn.
That applies for literally anything you spend a lot of time doing.
Also it wasn’t the teachers who sold us on college.
It definitely depends on the teachers and the expectations for you. My classes were 30+ ACT scores(IB/AP classes), everyone was expected to go to college, teachers asked everyone where they were going, were surprised when my friend enlisted in the Army.
it was our parents and society and the colleges themselves and yes some of those people were most definitely Republican.
This is true, but predominantly I’ve seen the judgement from Democrats(whereas prominent Republicans have been pretty vocally anti-college). You can see the judgement in your own comment “I can tell by your fear of education”- treating college and education as synonymous. I don’t fear education, I oppose “education”(being organized and systematized factory education, aka schooling). I believe public schooling is largely responsible for the crisis of depression. I believe schooling suppresses within people their sense of creativity, adventure, wonder, and curiosity. I believe Prussian schooling was designed to make obedient soldiers and docile laborers. I respect those who skipped class to pursue what they enjoyed, I wish it had been me.
Not saying cancelling the student debt is bad. But there is a pretty clear difference between debt you agreed to, vs that that’s forced on you.
You’re right. I never agreed for my taxes to stimulate rich people on their bad business decisions. Something something bootstrap and free market.
Agreed, you shouldn’t have to pay for it, its almost like taking from some people and giving to others against their will isn’t good.
I suppose college is “optional” in a way but the other options were sold to us as not good enough and if we took them we weren’t working hard enough.
So you take the route you think you are supposed to where you work hard in school and take out a loan then you realize you were lied to and you can’t afford to reasonably pay it all back. So yeah kids going to college are given a choice but it’s not framed in that way and they are shamed into it in some cases.
On the other hand everyone is supposed to pay taxes so why shouldn’t the rich pay their fair share? Were they tricked into being rich? Are they struggling? Do they really need to be “stimulated”?
Republicans aren’t the ones who did most of the selling.
Makes you wonder if “education” lied to you in other ways.
I agree, I definitely was, and wasted some money on it- but at least realized it wasn’t worth going into debt to try, and instead went abroad for a fraction of the price.
Why does the “fair share” always go up for everyone(not just the rich)? If its really about providing a service, why does the price increase infinitely with income? If I order a pizza and earn $10k a year then its $10 for a pizza? But if I earn $10B a year the pizza should automatically scale to a $10M pizza? What makes that pizza worth $10M? If its because the rich person wants more toppings and better quality, why not charge for those things, rather than just assuming they do and charging them more? If its about the fact that they can afford to help other people pay for pizza, ok thats a fair position, but they are then by definition paying more than their fair share.
I can tell by your fear of education that you probably chose not to go to college.
You do learn things in college just not necessarily the things you think you went there to learn.
Also it wasn’t the teachers who sold us on college. it was our parents and society and the colleges themselves and yes some of those people were most definitely Republican. This isn’t a dems vs Republicans issue really. It’s rich vs poor.
I can tell by your not reading my comment, that you just wanted to insult me. I said I went to college… I did drop out because I was more happy working.
That applies for literally anything you spend a lot of time doing.
It definitely depends on the teachers and the expectations for you. My classes were 30+ ACT scores(IB/AP classes), everyone was expected to go to college, teachers asked everyone where they were going, were surprised when my friend enlisted in the Army.
This is true, but predominantly I’ve seen the judgement from Democrats(whereas prominent Republicans have been pretty vocally anti-college). You can see the judgement in your own comment “I can tell by your fear of education”- treating college and education as synonymous. I don’t fear education, I oppose “education”(being organized and systematized factory education, aka schooling). I believe public schooling is largely responsible for the crisis of depression. I believe schooling suppresses within people their sense of creativity, adventure, wonder, and curiosity. I believe Prussian schooling was designed to make obedient soldiers and docile laborers. I respect those who skipped class to pursue what they enjoyed, I wish it had been me.
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That’s been pushed for in my experience almost entirely by teachers. Also, I am employed without a college degree.