She was suspended for naturally high testosterone levels by the IBA, a governing body that has since itself been suspended and had it’s recognition revoked due to corruption scandals. (Imagine what it takes for the famously corrupt IOC to say, “No, that’s too corrupt.”) No matter how you want to define gender, biological sex, identity, etc., she’s a woman. She’s just a freak athlete and that’s what the Olympics are about. No one would be all up in arms if her hands had a naturally high score on the Mohs scale of mineral hardness. You’d put on your gloves and catch her topaz-hard hands.
she wasn’t even disqualified for having high T. they disqualified her first and then did tests and later announced that she supposedly had XY chromosomes, which I don’t believe. I recommend reading through these sources and watching the official statement from the IOC spokesperson (time code added so you don’t have to watch the whole video):
I personally believe that IBA was butthurt about her beating a Russian boxer or got bribed into disqualifying her, and then made up the gender test bullshit to justify it. now the transphobes used this opportunity to pretend to care about women’s sports and attack trans people, even though imane khelif is definitely 100% not trans:
EDIT: the livestream i linked to was taken down. i looked on their youtube channel and theres a video with only the relevant part. you can watch it here: https://youtu.be/D4HiUIX9o00?si=UWz3uqCDXBhg98cI
Thank you for the correction and extra info. It’s a ridiculous moral panic at any time but it’s even more ridiculous at an Olympics where no one is trans, everyone is a genetic outlier, and someone is actually doping.
While it may be true that IBA is corrupt, let’s not use the logical reasoning that IOC’s reputation for corruption adds more credibility to their claim. Imagine if Trump called someone corrupt, would his own corrupt reputation leads you to believe his accusation more? I don’t believe so.
We should avoid using bad logic to support a correct opinion because it only damages the perception of your other arguments.
It’s not necessarily bad logic. If a regular at a dive bar says someone drinks too much, it’s probably a sign that person drinks way too much. If a college kid tells you an all-you-can-eat buffet sucks, it’s probably not secretly delicious.
Trump (like his diaper) is always full of shit so him calling someone corrupt wouldn’t mean anything. It’s not about logic; it’s about whether the narrator is reliable or not.
There are no reliable narrators. This is wisdom, not logic, but you have to find your own truth. Even particles have Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. There’s always uncertainty.
Then what’s the point of your previous comment talking about the narrator being reliable or not? Sounds like you just had no actual point and wants to use inconsistent logic whenever you want by calling it wisdom.
All I’m saying is that a corrupt individual is not a reliable narrator, therefore it’s illogical to use their corruptness as proof of their reliability at calling out corruption. Your counter examples are not relevant because their qualities does not directly make their statements unreliable.
And again, I’m not calling out the truthness in this matter, since I also believe the IBA is corrupt, but I’m calling out your use of bad logic to support that position. I’m sure if you actually read my comments properly you’d understood that I never questioned the truth in your statement about IBA, only one of the logical reasoning you used.
She was suspended for naturally high testosterone levels by the IBA, a governing body that has since itself been suspended and had it’s recognition revoked due to corruption scandals. (Imagine what it takes for the famously corrupt IOC to say, “No, that’s too corrupt.”) No matter how you want to define gender, biological sex, identity, etc., she’s a woman. She’s just a freak athlete and that’s what the Olympics are about. No one would be all up in arms if her hands had a naturally high score on the Mohs scale of mineral hardness. You’d put on your gloves and catch her topaz-hard hands.
she wasn’t even disqualified for having high T. they disqualified her first and then did tests and later announced that she supposedly had XY chromosomes, which I don’t believe. I recommend reading through these sources and watching the official statement from the IOC spokesperson (time code added so you don’t have to watch the whole video):
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/olympics/boxer-quits-gender-angela-carini-imane-khelif.html
https://olympics.com/ioc/news/joint-paris-2024-boxing-unit-ioc-statement
https://youtu.be/https://youtube.com/live/QxeIRI2Qcag?t=1912
I personally believe that IBA was butthurt about her beating a Russian boxer or got bribed into disqualifying her, and then made up the gender test bullshit to justify it. now the transphobes used this opportunity to pretend to care about women’s sports and attack trans people, even though imane khelif is definitely 100% not trans:
https://www.unicef.org/algeria/en/stories/top-female-boxer-imane-khelif-dreams-gold-inspire-young-people
EDIT: the livestream i linked to was taken down. i looked on their youtube channel and theres a video with only the relevant part. you can watch it here: https://youtu.be/D4HiUIX9o00?si=UWz3uqCDXBhg98cI
EDIT EDIT: nvm I’m stupid, I fucked up the link lmao. here is the working link to the Livestream: https://youtube.com/live/QxeIRI2Qcag?t=1912
Thank you for the correction and extra info. It’s a ridiculous moral panic at any time but it’s even more ridiculous at an Olympics where no one is trans, everyone is a genetic outlier, and someone is actually doping.
While it may be true that IBA is corrupt, let’s not use the logical reasoning that IOC’s reputation for corruption adds more credibility to their claim. Imagine if Trump called someone corrupt, would his own corrupt reputation leads you to believe his accusation more? I don’t believe so.
We should avoid using bad logic to support a correct opinion because it only damages the perception of your other arguments.
It’s not necessarily bad logic. If a regular at a dive bar says someone drinks too much, it’s probably a sign that person drinks way too much. If a college kid tells you an all-you-can-eat buffet sucks, it’s probably not secretly delicious.
Trump (like his diaper) is always full of shit so him calling someone corrupt wouldn’t mean anything. It’s not about logic; it’s about whether the narrator is reliable or not.
Is the IOC a reliable narrator, then? Being a corrupt organization would put them in the category of being unreliable to me.
There are no reliable narrators. This is wisdom, not logic, but you have to find your own truth. Even particles have Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. There’s always uncertainty.
Then what’s the point of your previous comment talking about the narrator being reliable or not? Sounds like you just had no actual point and wants to use inconsistent logic whenever you want by calling it wisdom.
All I’m saying is that a corrupt individual is not a reliable narrator, therefore it’s illogical to use their corruptness as proof of their reliability at calling out corruption. Your counter examples are not relevant because their qualities does not directly make their statements unreliable.
And again, I’m not calling out the truthness in this matter, since I also believe the IBA is corrupt, but I’m calling out your use of bad logic to support that position. I’m sure if you actually read my comments properly you’d understood that I never questioned the truth in your statement about IBA, only one of the logical reasoning you used.