Boxer Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan clinched her first Olympic medal Sunday in front of a crowd that chanted her name at the Paris Games, one day after fellow boxer Imane Khelif of Algeria secured one as well following days of online abuse and intense scrutiny about their participation.
Lin defeated Svetlana Kamenova Staneva of Bulgaria in a women’s 57-kilogram quarterfinal, earning her second straight unanimous decision and advancing to the division’s semifinal round to ensure she will win at least a bronze medal.
Lin and Khelif have been at the center of a clash over gender identity and regulations in sports, as critics have brought up their disqualification from the world championships last year after the banned International Boxing Association claimed they failed unspecified eligibility tests for women’s competition.
100% correct. One of the most frustrating things with talking women’s sports, imo, is the same as talking about abortion: me personally? I’m not a woman. Never have been. Due in no small part to that I don’t think I have any fuckin business deciding what’s best for women, assigned at birth or otherwise.
I don’t know a lot about boxing either. I’m pretty sure literally anyone competing in Women’s Olympic Boxing could lay me the fuck out. I don’t think what’s in their trunks or what diagnoses any of them may have contribute to that outcome so much as “they’re some of the best people in the world at punching other people”
I was thinking about something this morning… how many women are going to be turned off of sports by finding out that they have some sort of testing, be it genetic testing or genital examination vs. finding out that there’s a chance they might compete against someone who isn’t a “real” woman? Because I think the former. I think being forced to prove you’re a woman is a far bigger way of discouraging girls and women from competing than the chance they might compete against someone who has some unfair male advantage based on averages.
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So not what was done in the case of Yu-Ting Khelif. Or at least not what they admitted to doing.
And no, you’re not “either a real biological woman or you’re not.” It’s nowhere near that simple:
Again it’s just a chromosome blood test. You can test for all that crap. Then you can make it publically known to fans and even potentially disqualify people from participating depending on the mutations because, again, a punch can kill someone. You think I didn’t know about chromosome mutations before commenting?
Cool. Which category should the person whose “all that crap” is XX plus the SRY gene with a body that appears to be biologically male be in?
Since you know about chromosome mutations, perhaps you can tell me if they’re a man or a woman.
Give a fuck what they are. I’m betting money on fights so they should make it public who might have an advantage.
Now for my answer. So xx plus sry makes females have a male phenotype. That’s what the sry gene does. It makes their bodies i.e muscles and physical traits and behaviors develope as if males would.
This doesn’t sound so simple like you made it out to be. You said a chromosome test. Now you are saying that you need to test for the SRY gene as well. What else do you need to test for?
By the way, your continual discussion about how punching someone can kill them- no shit. People get killed in the boxing ring all the time. That’s a risk when it comes to boxing. It’s not like a woman can’t be just as easily killed by another woman in the ring.
You’re acting like these women are weak and fragile little flowers when any one of them likely could kick your ass and then have the energy to kick my ass and kick the ass of any other men posting in this thread, then run ten miles and not even feel winded.
By the way… do you think that maybe having to get medical testing to prove you’re really a woman might discourage girls and women from being in competitive sports? Or does that not matter?
Yes it’s simple testing. It’s all a simple blood test. We should test for whatever gives these people an unfair advantage. Noone is entitled to punch someone into a coma in front of a camera for money lmao it’s not a basic human right.
And speak for yourself. No woman is beating my ass then having enough energy to beat my friends ass too then going about their day like nothing happened. Your telling me I act like they’re so weak and fragile you are acting like they are gods dude.
They do medical tests all the time in these sports. Even at 2 in the morning while you’re asleep in your house they’ll ask you for a urine sample. So no it doesn’t matter what discourages who from participating if you don’t want to give the blood samples then… Fk on off as is what happens when fighters refuse medical tests?
Athletes should have their DNA made public information so you can gamble? This is really your position? That a person’s DNA should be public so you can profit off of it? Would you be cool with a boss doing this to you or your family?
And if phenotype is what’s important, your female - male pheno is already competing as a male FYI.
It’s just one reason why it should be made public. You think your gambling on 2 equal woman but in fact one has genetic or chromosome mutations making them develope as male. What are you even arguing about here? They are public people who make their money off the public. What’s the problem if their chromosome test and genetic test is made public?
Aside from that they should be tested for the integrity of the sport.
Again.
No one is entitled to punch someone into a coma in front of a camera for money.
So yeah test them and let the fans know what’s what. And disqualify them if they are men trying to beat on woman for money. Just like what happened to both of them in 2023. It’s pathetic and sick tbh but whatever something about “your female - male pheno is already competing as a male FYI.” Whatever the fuck that means lmfao.