I admire anyone who can commit to that lifestyle, but it’s not for everyone. Some people are born with wanderlust and others just want to put roots down somewhere they can call their own.
I don’t think it was so much her desire to confirm to some capitalist expectation of paying an enormous sum just to live in one place on the grid (because honestly nobody wants that), but a desire for stability and space to spread out, which are often in short supply when you live the camper/van/bus lifestyle.
in her specific case, I think the capitalist brainwashing had taken hold pretty strongly.
she literally said " I want to work in an office. I like offices."
as for wanderlust, a lot of these rv people just live in one perfect place the entire time they have the RV.
I understand why from the outside it would seem like stability is “in short supply” in an RV, but in practice, having the financial Independence and ability to move to and live wherever you want as long as you want is the epitome of home-owning stability.
as for space to spread out? with the savings, you can buy an acre a month of your own land and plop your RV on it or build your own cabin if you want to.
living in an RV gives you way more options than traditional rental scenarios.
she literally said " I want to work in an office. I like offices."
What’s wrong with that? I want to work in an office too. I like offices. When I’m in one, I’m in the headspace of “this is work and I am here to focus and do my job”. I actually hated working from home during the pandemic and my mental health suffered greatly because I had so much difficulty “switching off” at the end of each day without the clear separation of environment. I strongly disagree with the notion that someone who desires to work in an office setting is somehow corpo-pilled and a slave to capitalism. I’d really rather be doing something else than sitting in an office for 8 hours a day, but if I have to be working to survive I’m gonna want to keep my work at work and my home at home.
As for the “spread out” point, maybe I didn’t articulate that well, but I wasn’t talking about owning land. Not everyone can fit their entire lives into a tiny home or an RV. I think I could do it, but I’d have to part with a lot of my possessions in order to make it all fit inside comfortably and it’d be difficult to manage. For others, maybe it’d be impossible? Sometimes it’s just little stuff, like having a living room with a coffee table and a furniture set that gives people the comfort of being in a home, even if it isn’t strictly necessary for survival.
“What’s wrong with that? I want to work in an office too. I like offices.”
If you are trying to share a personal story or have contextual questions about my story, please ask them, because getting defensive about your own assumptions related to straw men scenarios you are propping up is bewilderingly off-topic.
“I’d really rather be doing something else than sitting in an office for 8 hours a day, but if I have to be working to survive…”
She was not under either compulsion.
she did not need the money and her job made her unhappy, but believed that the “right thing” was to be told what to do by a “boss” and to bring more profit into the company for the sake of the company and the approval of her corporate “superiors”.
You are continually making incorrect assumptions and drawing false conclusions about someone you don’t know and have not tried to learn about.
Again, if you feel the need to share or ask questions, by all means go ahead, but try to divorce your own assumptions and preoccupations from my experiences.
“Sometimes it’s just little stuff, like having a living room with a coffee table and a furniture set that gives people the comfort of being in a home, even if it isn’t strictly necessary for survival.”
Your stated desire is still to own certain material possessions such as a living room and a coffee table.
We don’t have to linger on the countless RVs with spacious living areas, but as stated in the OP and other comments, if you have the specific desire for a stationary living room but lack the resources to acquire a stationary living room or stationary house conveniently possessing a stationary living room, by living in an RV for a brief amount of time, you can have both a stationary living room and a stationary home far quicker than you can by counting pennies in your tenement.
You are still mistaking the liberty of having the ability to do anything you want for the supposedly fearful theoretical momentary lack of specific possessions.
If you are trying to share a personal story or have contextual questions about my story, please ask them, because getting defensive about your own assumptions related to straw men scenarios you are propping up is bewilderingly off-topic.
Uh, what? I think you’re the one who is getting defensive here.
You are continually making incorrect assumptions and drawing false conclusions about someone you don’t know and have not tried to learn about.
Again, if you feel the need to share or ask questions, by all means go ahead, but try to divorce your own assumptions and preoccupations from my experiences.
Oh! Now I think I see what’s happening here…
I’m not trying to make any assumptions or conclusions. Yes, I am just sharing a personal anecdote with you. We’re having a conversation, not a debate. Sorry if you took that the wrong way. I’m not trying to convince you that you are wrong about anything, because quite frankly, I don’t think I’d be able to do that nor do I have the desire, especially since I don’t know anything about you that you haven’t already shared.
On that note, I think I’ll excuse myself from the thread. Have a good’un.
“I’m not trying to make any assumptions or conclusions.”
You are repeatedly drawing incorrect conclusions based on false assumptions:
“…I don’t think it was so much her desire to confirm to some capitalist expectation of paying an enormous sum just to live in one place on the grid (because honestly nobody wants that)”
which is an incorrect conclusion based on a false assumption.
You are clearly trying to have a debate from false premises:
Your vague platitudes of
“…but it’s not for everyone…” and “Not everyone can fit their entire lives into a tiny home or an RV…”
falsely implies that someone argued RVs are for everyone, which didn’t happen and is clearly not the point of my comment.
Then you pretend your attack against me is actually an attack against you with classic gaslighting:
“We’re having a conversation, not a debate. Sorry if you took that the wrong way”
You argue that some people just need "stability and space to spread out, which are often in short supply ", defining spreading out as a living room and a coffee table, not acres of land, ignoring that 1. material possession(acres, houses, coffee tables) are simple to acquire given immediate financial independence and 2. You are still mistaking the liberty of having the ability to do anything you want for the supposedly fearful theoretical momentary lack of specific possessions.
I admire anyone who can commit to that lifestyle, but it’s not for everyone. Some people are born with wanderlust and others just want to put roots down somewhere they can call their own.
I don’t think it was so much her desire to confirm to some capitalist expectation of paying an enormous sum just to live in one place on the grid (because honestly nobody wants that), but a desire for stability and space to spread out, which are often in short supply when you live the camper/van/bus lifestyle.
sure, nothing is for everyone.
in her specific case, I think the capitalist brainwashing had taken hold pretty strongly.
she literally said " I want to work in an office. I like offices."
as for wanderlust, a lot of these rv people just live in one perfect place the entire time they have the RV.
I understand why from the outside it would seem like stability is “in short supply” in an RV, but in practice, having the financial Independence and ability to move to and live wherever you want as long as you want is the epitome of home-owning stability.
as for space to spread out? with the savings, you can buy an acre a month of your own land and plop your RV on it or build your own cabin if you want to.
living in an RV gives you way more options than traditional rental scenarios.
What’s wrong with that? I want to work in an office too. I like offices. When I’m in one, I’m in the headspace of “this is work and I am here to focus and do my job”. I actually hated working from home during the pandemic and my mental health suffered greatly because I had so much difficulty “switching off” at the end of each day without the clear separation of environment. I strongly disagree with the notion that someone who desires to work in an office setting is somehow corpo-pilled and a slave to capitalism. I’d really rather be doing something else than sitting in an office for 8 hours a day, but if I have to be working to survive I’m gonna want to keep my work at work and my home at home.
As for the “spread out” point, maybe I didn’t articulate that well, but I wasn’t talking about owning land. Not everyone can fit their entire lives into a tiny home or an RV. I think I could do it, but I’d have to part with a lot of my possessions in order to make it all fit inside comfortably and it’d be difficult to manage. For others, maybe it’d be impossible? Sometimes it’s just little stuff, like having a living room with a coffee table and a furniture set that gives people the comfort of being in a home, even if it isn’t strictly necessary for survival.
“What’s wrong with that? I want to work in an office too. I like offices.”
If you are trying to share a personal story or have contextual questions about my story, please ask them, because getting defensive about your own assumptions related to straw men scenarios you are propping up is bewilderingly off-topic.
“I’d really rather be doing something else than sitting in an office for 8 hours a day, but if I have to be working to survive…”
She was not under either compulsion.
she did not need the money and her job made her unhappy, but believed that the “right thing” was to be told what to do by a “boss” and to bring more profit into the company for the sake of the company and the approval of her corporate “superiors”.
You are continually making incorrect assumptions and drawing false conclusions about someone you don’t know and have not tried to learn about.
Again, if you feel the need to share or ask questions, by all means go ahead, but try to divorce your own assumptions and preoccupations from my experiences.
“Sometimes it’s just little stuff, like having a living room with a coffee table and a furniture set that gives people the comfort of being in a home, even if it isn’t strictly necessary for survival.”
Your stated desire is still to own certain material possessions such as a living room and a coffee table.
We don’t have to linger on the countless RVs with spacious living areas, but as stated in the OP and other comments, if you have the specific desire for a stationary living room but lack the resources to acquire a stationary living room or stationary house conveniently possessing a stationary living room, by living in an RV for a brief amount of time, you can have both a stationary living room and a stationary home far quicker than you can by counting pennies in your tenement.
You are still mistaking the liberty of having the ability to do anything you want for the supposedly fearful theoretical momentary lack of specific possessions.
Uh, what? I think you’re the one who is getting defensive here.
Oh! Now I think I see what’s happening here…
I’m not trying to make any assumptions or conclusions. Yes, I am just sharing a personal anecdote with you. We’re having a conversation, not a debate. Sorry if you took that the wrong way. I’m not trying to convince you that you are wrong about anything, because quite frankly, I don’t think I’d be able to do that nor do I have the desire, especially since I don’t know anything about you that you haven’t already shared.
On that note, I think I’ll excuse myself from the thread. Have a good’un.
“Oh! Now I think I see what’s happening here…”
What do you think is happening?
“I’m not trying to make any assumptions or conclusions.”
You are repeatedly drawing incorrect conclusions based on false assumptions:
“…I don’t think it was so much her desire to confirm to some capitalist expectation of paying an enormous sum just to live in one place on the grid (because honestly nobody wants that)”
which is an incorrect conclusion based on a false assumption.
You are clearly trying to have a debate from false premises:
Your vague platitudes of
“…but it’s not for everyone…” and “Not everyone can fit their entire lives into a tiny home or an RV…”
falsely implies that someone argued RVs are for everyone, which didn’t happen and is clearly not the point of my comment.
Then you pretend your attack against me is actually an attack against you with classic gaslighting:
“We’re having a conversation, not a debate. Sorry if you took that the wrong way”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mental-health-revolution/202203/i-m-sorry-you-feel-way-and-other-gaslighting-tactics#:~:text=Gaslighting subject matter experts caution against addressing the,engagement and incites further gaslighting from the abuser.
You argue that some people just need "stability and space to spread out, which are often in short supply ", defining spreading out as a living room and a coffee table, not acres of land, ignoring that 1. material possession(acres, houses, coffee tables) are simple to acquire given immediate financial independence and 2. You are still mistaking the liberty of having the ability to do anything you want for the supposedly fearful theoretical momentary lack of specific possessions.