The play is not about Israel but instead tells the story of a Jewish man preserving his family’s traditions in a village in imperial Russia at the turn of the 20th century. The performance on Monday went ahead as planned after the protest at the cafe.

“This is a performance of Fiddler on the Roof,” they wrote alongside footage of the protesters. “So, if you’re busy condemning racist demonstrations, but not this, & you don’t think they should be prosecuted, stop preening yourself. You’re happy with racism – it’s only the target that you worry about.”

  • @gedaliyahOP
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    01 month ago

    Many Jewish organizations have advocated using the term “Jew hate” in order to avoid the linguistically and historically problematic “antisemitism” or “anti-Semitism,” but I am skeptical of the success.

    By the way, you are close, but to clarify: the term was originated by Wilhelm Marr, who founded the Antisemiten-Liga (League of Anti-Semites) in 1879. This organization was not concerned with Semites in general, but with Jews in particular, as evinced by publications such as “Do not choose a Jew!” “Jew’s Mirror,” and “The War of the Jews.” You are absolutely right in that it is bigoted and coined by a bigot.

    • @Madison420
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      01 month ago

      I’m for anti Judaic, follows the same form but it’s accurate.

      https://www.etymonline.com/word/anti-Semitism

      No I’m correct, it want used until 1881 not 1879 and Wilhelm was scared of Jews he however didn’t think much of and disliked arabs. He only added specificity to make sure people knew he was against semites generally and Jews specifically. I dunno if you’ve actually read his book but it makes it pretty clear.

      • @gedaliyahOP
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        01 month ago

        I’m not sure where they are getting the date - maybe that was the first use in English? The group was founded in 1879. The term (at least in German) traces to that date.

        I don’t speak German and I haven’t read any of his works, so I appreciate your educating me on that point. If there is an English-language resource I can learn more about his anti-Arab views, please share it. TIA

        • @Madison420
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          -11 month ago

          They sourced it boss. It’s the first published use, could it have been used before? Sure, we just have evidence of it.

          I have a translated copy somewhere, I’ll dig to see if I can find it.

          • @gedaliyahOP
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            11 month ago

            I’m confused about the reply - is it possible you missed a word? In any case, you can see from the source I mentioned that the word dates from at least 1879 in German print, but again, we are arguing about 2 years. It looks like Douglas Harper made a small error on his excellent website, but no one’s perfect. Again, I appreciate you taking the time to share. Which book are you referring to though? He has several as I mentioned.

            (see also Encyclopedia Britannica, German Digital Library, Brill)

            • @Madison420
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              01 month ago

              Dictionaries aren’t great with etymology just as an fyi.

              The league was forged in 79, correct. The word wasn’t used in a known publication that we can verify until 1881, first known publication is always the winner in etymology because publication generally equals acceptance. I dunno if you’ve seen mean girls but it’s “fetch” in example of you get my meaning.

              • @gedaliyahOP
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                11 month ago

                You’re being very confusing now. I didn’t say anything about a dictionary in our conversation. I sent you links from a research encyclopedia, a scholarly series, and two different records of the primary source. Did you have trouble viewing them? Let me know if you need others or if there is a problem I’m missing. Sorry if I’m asking you to simplify things too much as this is not my area of study.

                Were you able to find the name of that book by the way? I have not seen any translations online, but in the German I have not been able to find any references to Arabs at all. It would help if I knew where you were looking.

                • @Madison420
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                  01 month ago

                  Britannica is both a dictionary and an encyclopedia bud.

                  It’s Wilhelm’s book dude, your citing its author who coined the term in the later book after creating the society like three years earlier.

                  Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum – Vom nichtconfessionellen Standpunkt aus betrachtet.

                  • @gedaliyahOP
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                    11 month ago

                    Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum is only one of a half-dozen books and other publications Marr wrote. It does not discuss, nor even mention Arabs.

                    Thanks anyway. Have a good one.