• @Sam_Bass
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    -3729 days ago

    Bullshit. Fascists have been around for millenia longer than our peaceful mindsets. Back then it was more useful to be but recent advances in technology has made their usefulness nothing more than a nostalgic yearning for past and passed glories

    • @[email protected]
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      929 days ago

      For millennia? For thousands of years? Fascism was an outgrowth of capitalism that’s barely a century old.

          • @[email protected]
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            329 days ago

            One of Weber’s main intellectual concerns was in understanding the processes of rationalisation, secularisation, and disenchantment. He formulated a thesis arguing that such processes were associated with the rise of capitalism and modernity. Weber also argued that the Protestant work ethic influenced the creation of capitalism in The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. It was the earliest part in his broader consideration of the world religions, as he later examined the religions of China, India, and ancient Judaism. Source

            • Flying SquidM
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              829 days ago

              Weber died in 1920. Fascism had literally only existed by name for a year before he died. He was not arguing about fascism, hence fascism never being mentioned on that Wikipedia page.

              • @[email protected]
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                429 days ago

                Fascism was an outgrowth of capitalism that’s barely a century old.

                This was what I was responding to, and the way it’s worded it seemed (to me at least) they were saying capitalism is barely a century old.

                • @Aqarius
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                  129 days ago

                  Were they? That parses as “fascism, an outgrowth of capitalism, is a century old”.

      • @Sam_Bass
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        -629 days ago

        Man has been around for thousands of years athis current sociointelligent level. It is not hard to extrapolate the current fascist mentalities back through the ages all the way through our barbarous past.

          • @Sam_Bass
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            -529 days ago

            Italy was not first. There was the mongols, the greeks, the spartans and probably many more that only rated a blurb in the history books

            • Flying SquidM
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              929 days ago

              You are conflating monarchy with fascism for some reason.

              The Mongols were governed by the Khan, who was an emperor.

              The Greeks had multiple kings of the various polises (aside from Athens for a while), until they were united under Alexander the Great, who was an emperor.

              The Spartans were Greek, so it’s weird you listed them separately.

              Fascism and monarchy are both authoritarian, but authoritarianism is not fascism.

    • @[email protected]
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      529 days ago

      I’m not entirely sure about millennia, but capitalism has been around for at least as long as currency has. That too has changed names but the idea of whoever is born with the most gets to steal the most is older than all existing civilizations.

      • @[email protected]
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        329 days ago

        Eh, you’re both wrong. Fascism is an invention of the 20th century and capitalism is mostly an invention of the 19th century (although The Wealth of Nations was published in 1776). Both ideologies have very deep roots that you’re conflating with their dominant modern expressions. Capitalism is specific ideology built around market economics, but markets alone are not capitalism. Likewise fascism is a specific authoritarian ideology, but authoritarianism is not in itself fascism.

      • Victoria Antoinette
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        128 days ago

        capitalism superceded mercantilism about 2 centuries ago. it’s nowhere near as old as currency

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        029 days ago

        What you’re saying is at best debatable, and it’s definitely not consensus in academia. Feudalism is substantially and fundamentally different from capitalism. Serfs worked the land not based on free contracts for a wage selling their labour as a commodity, but rather legally bound to their lord’s land. Access to consumer goods wasn’t through purchase as commodities in a free market, but through self-production and barter/debt within small communities. Peasants worked the land with their own means of production and made their own tools with their own means of production, and generally people weren’t hired working other people’s means of production.

        Class struggle has existed for millennia, but capitalism is just the current predominant system of class struggle because through industrial development it overpowers preexisting systems that weren’t capitalist.