Wasn’t the last good Terminator product released in '91? I hope this one’s good, but it’ll have to be really good to entice people put off by all the cash-grabs…
Hell no. Terminator 3, Salvation, Genisys, Dark Fate, and The Sarah Connor Chronicles all had their moments, and I can’t honestly say I hated a single one.
It’s been 30 years since T2 came out. Either you’re still engaged with the franchise and interested the newer films or you’re not. Comparing everything to T2 forever is pointless, just like it’s pointless to compare every new Alien entry to Aliens or every new Star Wars entry to Empire.
I personally like how every entry in the franchise has tried so hard to retcon itself as a sequel to T2 that it’s turned into a Doctor Who style timey wimey kudzu plot, but maybe that’s just me.
Not sure what you mean there. The only one in the series that gets close to determination is the first one, and even that one implies the future is changeable despite being in a stable time loop.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the furthest away from determinism, not T2.
Haven’t seen all of them but three is purely “do what you want, shit will happen anyway” as well. The one where the terminator doesn’t need power anymore to function and a villain who’s power are conviently flexible depending on what the story needed.
I didn’t hate it but for me personally it was enough to lose all interest in the whole franchise.
The whole terminator universe is incoherent while taking itself quite seriously - and I mean Doctor Who levels here, without just going “timey winey” with it.
I hope for the fans of the franchise that it’ll work out, personally I’ll stay… apathetic, if that’s the right word.
T3 respects that T2 did change the future. Judgement Day’s date moves and Skynet completely changes form. “Judgment Day is inevitable” refers to a general concept of a technological singularity where eventually some sort of tech will become self aware and decide to destroy humanity. But T3 does not assume all events are fixed and unchangeable. We later see different dates and forms of Skynet in The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Genisys, and Dark Fate.
“There is no fate but what we make” is Sarah’s mantra in T2. But she doesn’t change everything: she didn’t stop anything in the time loop from T1 and she didn’t change John’s fate in the future. John’s fate doesn’t change until the Sarah Connor Chronicles, Genisys, and Dark Fate, each of which gives him different futures. Really, the biggest thing Sarah and John do is continuously push the singularity date back further.
I’d say that Terminator Dark Fate was pretty good - and that was 2019. If you’re a fan of T1 and T2 (like most people), I feel like it’s worth calling Dark Fate T3 and ignoring most of the other stuff.
I really don’t mean to offend but that’s the problem with shitty franchises: even the vocal supporters say it’s “okay” or “pretty good”. Is that really the bar!?
Wasn’t the last good Terminator product released in '91? I hope this one’s good, but it’ll have to be really good to entice people put off by all the cash-grabs…
Hell no. Terminator 3, Salvation, Genisys, Dark Fate, and The Sarah Connor Chronicles all had their moments, and I can’t honestly say I hated a single one.
It’s been 30 years since T2 came out. Either you’re still engaged with the franchise and interested the newer films or you’re not. Comparing everything to T2 forever is pointless, just like it’s pointless to compare every new Alien entry to Aliens or every new Star Wars entry to Empire.
I personally like how every entry in the franchise has tried so hard to retcon itself as a sequel to T2 that it’s turned into a Doctor Who style timey wimey kudzu plot, but maybe that’s just me.
The problem with every terminator after 2 is that they went from “no fate but what we make” to determinism.
Not sure what you mean there. The only one in the series that gets close to determination is the first one, and even that one implies the future is changeable despite being in a stable time loop.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the furthest away from determinism, not T2.
Haven’t seen all of them but three is purely “do what you want, shit will happen anyway” as well. The one where the terminator doesn’t need power anymore to function and a villain who’s power are conviently flexible depending on what the story needed.
I didn’t hate it but for me personally it was enough to lose all interest in the whole franchise. The whole terminator universe is incoherent while taking itself quite seriously - and I mean Doctor Who levels here, without just going “timey winey” with it.
I hope for the fans of the franchise that it’ll work out, personally I’ll stay… apathetic, if that’s the right word.
T3 respects that T2 did change the future. Judgement Day’s date moves and Skynet completely changes form. “Judgment Day is inevitable” refers to a general concept of a technological singularity where eventually some sort of tech will become self aware and decide to destroy humanity. But T3 does not assume all events are fixed and unchangeable. We later see different dates and forms of Skynet in The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Genisys, and Dark Fate.
“There is no fate but what we make” is Sarah’s mantra in T2. But she doesn’t change everything: she didn’t stop anything in the time loop from T1 and she didn’t change John’s fate in the future. John’s fate doesn’t change until the Sarah Connor Chronicles, Genisys, and Dark Fate, each of which gives him different futures. Really, the biggest thing Sarah and John do is continuously push the singularity date back further.
Interesting, thanks for that!
I’d say that Terminator Dark Fate was pretty good - and that was 2019. If you’re a fan of T1 and T2 (like most people), I feel like it’s worth calling Dark Fate T3 and ignoring most of the other stuff.
I really don’t mean to offend but that’s the problem with shitty franchises: even the vocal supporters say it’s “okay” or “pretty good”. Is that really the bar!?