And I am too. But not for things that people literally use for date rape because they can pretty quickly cause complete unconsciousness (as that is their purpose).
I have no problem with THC and its derivatives. THC is generally not something rapists use. Same with MDMA. MDMA might make someone extra cuddly, but they’ll still be able to fight back if someone tries to rape them. Because they’re still conscious.
Do you think Rohypnol should be freely available over the counter as well? GHB? Because I’m thinking maybe we don’t create a whole bunch of new Bill Cosbys.
Since the mid-1990s, the media and researchers have also documented an increased use of drugs such as flunitrazepam and ketamine to facilitate sexual assaults in the context of dating.
The setting people prefer is heavily dependent on dose and method of administration. Lower doses that still permit some level of walking, dancing, and talking can be used in real-world social scenes, i.e. clubs, parties or other gatherings. Higher doses are generally taken only while lying down in a safe space.
As with many anaesthetics, ketamine can cause varying degrees of nausea, usually related to dose. To reduce the likelihood of nausea, food is not generally consumed within ninety minutes before the trip, and is avoided for longer periods of time if possible. While vomiting is rare, travelling to the bathroom is no fun, as movement can increase nausea. Cautious users may keep a bucket available as a precaution. Some people find cannabis helpful to quell nausea. Experienced higher-dose ketamine users situate themselves in a place where they can stay for several hours, with any desired amenities close at hand. A sober sitter is convenient for changing music, providing sips of water, and generally making sure everything is going smoothly. Complete darkness can eliminate some strange and unique visual experiences, so many users prefer to take ketamine in a dimly lit room.
Music can be powerful for “driving” the trip, with individual tunes helping to create visionary vignettes. However, ketamine does not treat audio perception so well; it may produce a narrowing of the user’s aural bandwidth. Many users choose mellow instrumental music with a psychedelic flavor, and they keep the sound level down a bit as music can sound louder when under the influence. Touch can be exceptional, and some swear by the benefits of receiving massage therapy and bodywork while on ketamine. Smells and tastes are usually reported as being dulled. Some users find they are largely unable to talk, while others speak in clipped, robotic-sounding utterances. Mental reflection and introspection is fairly common, but enhanced emotionality much less so. Physical warmth may be important to attend to, as users can become cold from inactivity. Many users take ketamine while lying in bed, with a blanket nearby.
Some sources characterize ketamine as a boring drug. Some users complain that it removes them so completely from their bodies that it is difficult to work with. Others have found ketamine to be potent and malleable: an experience that they can tailor by paying close attention to the dose and setting. Many ketamine users experience ketamine as compellingly unique among psychedelic drugs, although PCP, DXM, nitrous oxide, and Salvia divinorum are the most commonly made comparisons. Users sometimes express that the high-dose experience is unique and strong enough that only experienced trippers who want a potentially life-changing out-of-body experience should attempt high doses. Ketamine is often described as having a good recovery time, with little negative effect on the following day–perhaps only a mild hangover.
You don’t know whether or not things which render people who don’t even know they’ve been given them unconscious very quickly should be OTC or not? Really?
And about alcohol- it’s a horrible, horrible thing in many ways, including facilitating date rape (although nowhere near as easily as ketamine). And if prohibition hadn’t been a complete failure, I would support it continuing.
But I wouldn’t say keeping ketamine prescription-only has been the failure that prohibition was because otherwise we’d have a lot more Matthew Perrys and a lot more Bill Cosbys. Which is what you seem to want.
You’re the one missing the point. Go fight to get booze outlawed if you’re so incensed by a recreational drug that can lead to an unconscious state or used inappropriately by a 3rd party.
Selfish AF to want to continue the war on drugs and prohibition. How many lives has that ruined? smh typical American.
And I am too. But not for things that people literally use for date rape because they can pretty quickly cause complete unconsciousness (as that is their purpose).
I have no problem with THC and its derivatives. THC is generally not something rapists use. Same with MDMA. MDMA might make someone extra cuddly, but they’ll still be able to fight back if someone tries to rape them. Because they’re still conscious.
Do you think Rohypnol should be freely available over the counter as well? GHB? Because I’m thinking maybe we don’t create a whole bunch of new Bill Cosbys.
Ketamine is a party drug, it’s not a date rape drug.
You might as well call booze a date rape drug because if you get drunk enough you black out.
I agree with you, I’ve never heard of ket being used for date rape.
That said, GHB definitely has and it’s one of my favourite party drugs hahaha
https://www.butler.edu/well-being/date-rape-drugs/
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/date-rape-drugs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug#Depressants
Furthermore, this describes what happens to the victim when ketamine is used as a date rape drug: https://www.thehealthsite.com/diseases-conditions/date-rape-drug-ketamine-effects-p114-111164/
You can party with other date rape drugs too. Are you really suggesting general anesthetics should be OTC?
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_faq.shtml
Ketamine is a party drug.
https://youtu.be/a0VHIvwCehs?si=zf747S-WA0B71kb1
https://youtu.be/xuPNmXtomNw?si=9F7wZWC7XSTfL5C0
https://youtu.be/Io8HPSWhx8w?si=uyfj6iCIWPRGiArA
Yes, again, date rape drugs can also be party drugs.
And, again, are you arguing that general anesthetics should be OTC?
Do you call alcohol a date rape drug?
I will answer your question when you answer the one I have asked you twice now.
Dunno.
Am I fine with people using ketamine recreationally, sure.
You don’t know whether or not things which render people who don’t even know they’ve been given them unconscious very quickly should be OTC or not? Really?
And about alcohol- it’s a horrible, horrible thing in many ways, including facilitating date rape (although nowhere near as easily as ketamine). And if prohibition hadn’t been a complete failure, I would support it continuing.
But I wouldn’t say keeping ketamine prescription-only has been the failure that prohibition was because otherwise we’d have a lot more Matthew Perrys and a lot more Bill Cosbys. Which is what you seem to want.
Way to miss the point by a fucking mile dude
Selfish AF to want your flavor of drugs more easily available at the cost of vulnerable women smh typical party bro
You’re the one missing the point. Go fight to get booze outlawed if you’re so incensed by a recreational drug that can lead to an unconscious state or used inappropriately by a 3rd party.
Selfish AF to want to continue the war on drugs and prohibition. How many lives has that ruined? smh typical American.