That cedeing to a country that openly plans to retake its former Soviet borders will somehow dispite all logic result in Russian withdrawal and lasting peace.
If anything, the initial proposal was about Russia cedeing territory that it has captured (since 2022 invasion) to Ukraine, not the other way around.
No one has stopped those
No one has been doing any serious peace talks after the initial ones either.
You sure it isn’t the people literally blowing up Ukrainians
Those as well, but you have to deal with more immediate problem first.
Russia won’t involve themselves without certain base demands that are never going to happen and remember they are invaders in a sovereign nation they started a war with to pressure NATO and pressure Ukraine out of joining NATO.
More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?
Your argument only works if they are at heart basically altruistic, otherwise simply stopping fighting back would simply result in a dramatic unopposed military defeat likely of the entire country so Ukraine could never join NATO. You know, that being their goal as per your sources.
Remind me, did Ukraine start the war? Would there be any civilian war casualties if there weren’t a war?
That makes sense for one of those quotes, do you want to link them together into a coherent thought the people that aren’t voices in your head can understand as the language known as English. Can we do that?
Did you point to in the previous contextual comment where I said cede territory. I did not at that, I said they would have to cede to Russia as in relinquish sovereign authority by treaty.
to yield or grant typically by treaty
Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO, and Russia would have withdrawn to its prewar boundaries.
That’s not me, that’s your source. Keep up with the conversation.
^ A page break so you don’t sound like a fucking lunatic who can’t separate two thought chains.
More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?
People being kidnapped on the streets and being sent to die.
So these people, who you have zero firsthand accounts of are more important then not killing kids so a sovereign nation doesn’t join NATO as is their right as an autonomous nation.
If I want you to not be such a fucking idiot can I invade your parents home kill your daughter and displace your grandparents? No? Then how the fuck do you excuse Russia doing the same.
I don’t understand what you’re saying before the “page break”. You asked me to point to where it says Russia would cede territory to the Ukraine. It’s in this quote:
Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO, and Russia would have withdrawn to its prewar boundaries.
“withdrawn to its prewar boundaries” - effectively cedeing the territory it captured back to Ukraine. It fits your definition of “to yield or grant typically by treaty”.
Then how the fuck do you excuse Russia doing the same.
I never “excused” Russia doing the same. You put words in my mouth again, just like you do for the rest of the conversation.
If anything, the initial proposal was about Russia cedeing territory that it has captured (since 2022 invasion) to Ukraine, not the other way around.
No one has been doing any serious peace talks after the initial ones either.
Those as well, but you have to deal with more immediate problem first.
Where did I say that?
Ukraine does it as well.
Point to where it says cedeing territory.
Russia won’t involve themselves without certain base demands that are never going to happen and remember they are invaders in a sovereign nation they started a war with to pressure NATO and pressure Ukraine out of joining NATO.
More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?
Your argument only works if they are at heart basically altruistic, otherwise simply stopping fighting back would simply result in a dramatic unopposed military defeat likely of the entire country so Ukraine could never join NATO. You know, that being their goal as per your sources.
Remind me, did Ukraine start the war? Would there be any civilian war casualties if there weren’t a war?
Again, childish short-sighted bullshit.
People being kidnapped on the streets and being sent to die.
You have 4 subjects and that sentence doesn’t make sense for any of them, can you try it again but you know … better.
Changed one mistake from ‘on’ to ‘and’, now it’s correct
That makes sense for one of those quotes, do you want to link them together into a coherent thought the people that aren’t voices in your head can understand as the language known as English. Can we do that?
Let me know what exactly from my comment doesn’t make sense.
I’ve just re-read and it seems to be well-formed.
Ok one by one.
Did you point to in the previous contextual comment where I said cede territory. I did not at that, I said they would have to cede to Russia as in relinquish sovereign authority by treaty.
That’s not me, that’s your source. Keep up with the conversation.
^ A page break so you don’t sound like a fucking lunatic who can’t separate two thought chains.
So these people, who you have zero firsthand accounts of are more important then not killing kids so a sovereign nation doesn’t join NATO as is their right as an autonomous nation.
If I want you to not be such a fucking idiot can I invade your parents home kill your daughter and displace your grandparents? No? Then how the fuck do you excuse Russia doing the same.
I don’t understand what you’re saying before the “page break”. You asked me to point to where it says Russia would cede territory to the Ukraine. It’s in this quote:
“withdrawn to its prewar boundaries” - effectively cedeing the territory it captured back to Ukraine. It fits your definition of “to yield or grant typically by treaty”.
I never “excused” Russia doing the same. You put words in my mouth again, just like you do for the rest of the conversation.