As a German, we are taught that every worst nightmare begins with people shaming other ppl for their race, ethnicity or beliefs. And if you call that you’re belief, you are at the other side of the tolerance paradox and that means every action to further your opinion is and should be considered a crime.
That’s why saying all that fucked up stuff about Rothschild should lead you straight to prison. It’s not a worldview anymore, it’s a fucked up mental state and a wildfire waiting to undermine democratic principles.
Idk if you have looked into all that fucked up stuff ppl say about Rothschild, but most of it is just insane conspiracy theories and the majority of them have been thoroughly debunked multiple times.
No one is exempt from criticism, but no one is allowed to continuously defame ppl from a specific family name without having hard evidence. There is no evidence there.
This is called defamation.
And considering what some ppl say about the Rothschild family, they are making criminal threats and intimidations. With no basis at all.
So
why should a certain surname shield someone from criticism?
Because at this point it’s defamation and sometimes it’s also reaching into criminal conduct. Both are actionable because they are outside of the first amendment protections.
And on a personal note: accusing a family of awful things over the span of centuries is what I call absolutely disgusting and inhumane. You’re not a bad person, just because of your last name. At least not in my world.
It was the introduction of a specific family name into this discussion about TERFs that was strange.
Whilst I agree no-one should be targeted because of their surname, I also think it shouldn’t act as a shield.
A rich, organised group of people who, through their investments, have invisible influence over large parts of the world’s industry, banking and media should certainly be not be beyond discussion.
I brought this up as an example, to make you understand how a family can be hunted merely because of their name, not because of what the actual people in it do.
If you say “the Rothschilds are this powerful manipulative family” that’s fucked up. If you tell me which people you mean it’s easier to debunk it, but this thinking of groups makes conspiracy theories stick like tar to a group of people of whom the majority won’t have anything to do with it anyway.
This family is off limits for me in many ways because to be blunt ppl use them as a scapegoat for basically the same fucked up ideologies and actions that got us started with the Nazis in the third reich.
I’m gonna be honest here, you trying to regurgitate the same reasons why they’ve been basically hunted by extreme right wing nuts makes me vomit. It also makes me suspect you’re trying to instigate something as well and I don’t appreciate that.
I know you want a nuanced discussion but this is not the time nor the subject for that. There’s a lot of powerful people, and if you at least read up on the awful conspiracy theories and how they are easily debunked, you will realize how fucked up it is to reiterate the reasons making them a target.
Oh and if you’re one of those people trying to put another target on the backs of a whole family tree, then I think we’re done talking. No one deserves to be under constant threat for their last name, no exceptions.
I brought this up as an example, to make you understand how a family can be hunted merely because of their name
Which is strange because we are discussing an Olympic athlete suing a TERF.
If you say “the Rothschilds are this powerful manipulative family” that’s fucked up.
So don’t say that then. I certainly didn’t write that quote.
This family is off limits for me in many ways because to be blunt ppl use them as a scapegoat for basically the same fucked up ideologies and actions that got us started with the Nazis in the third reich.
Oh yes. Targeting people because they are Jewish is certainly wrong. But family members of the Rothschilds are as open to just as much criticism as the Rockefellers or the Murdochs.
I’m gonna be honest here, you trying to regurgitate the same reasons why they’ve been basically hunted by extreme right wing nuts makes me vomit.
I’ve regurgitated nothing. You are the one pushing an irrelevant topic and using fake quotes to trying and start an antisemitic argument.
It also makes me suspect you’re trying to instigate something as well and I don’t appreciate that.
Pure projection. This thread is about JK Rowling and Imane Khelif.
There’s a lot of powerful people, and if you at least read up on the awful conspiracy theories and how they are easily debunked, you will realize how fucked up it is to reiterate the reasons making them a target.
Again, it’s only you repeatedly mentioning conspiracy theories.
No one deserves to be under constant threat for their last name, no exceptions.
Agreed. And to reiterate my original point made in response to your irrelevant interjection, no-one gets to avoid criticism just because they happen to have a particular last name.
As a German, we are taught that every worst nightmare begins with people shaming other ppl for their race, ethnicity or beliefs. And if you call that you’re belief, you are at the other side of the tolerance paradox and that means every action to further your opinion is and should be considered a crime.
That’s why saying all that fucked up stuff about Rothschild should lead you straight to prison. It’s not a worldview anymore, it’s a fucked up mental state and a wildfire waiting to undermine democratic principles.
Hang on. Why should a certain surname shield someone from criticism.
Idk if you have looked into all that fucked up stuff ppl say about Rothschild, but most of it is just insane conspiracy theories and the majority of them have been thoroughly debunked multiple times.
No one is exempt from criticism, but no one is allowed to continuously defame ppl from a specific family name without having hard evidence. There is no evidence there.
This is called defamation.
And considering what some ppl say about the Rothschild family, they are making criminal threats and intimidations. With no basis at all.
So
Because at this point it’s defamation and sometimes it’s also reaching into criminal conduct. Both are actionable because they are outside of the first amendment protections.
And on a personal note: accusing a family of awful things over the span of centuries is what I call absolutely disgusting and inhumane. You’re not a bad person, just because of your last name. At least not in my world.
It was the introduction of a specific family name into this discussion about TERFs that was strange.
Whilst I agree no-one should be targeted because of their surname, I also think it shouldn’t act as a shield.
A rich, organised group of people who, through their investments, have invisible influence over large parts of the world’s industry, banking and media should certainly be not be beyond discussion.
I brought this up as an example, to make you understand how a family can be hunted merely because of their name, not because of what the actual people in it do.
If you say “the Rothschilds are this powerful manipulative family” that’s fucked up. If you tell me which people you mean it’s easier to debunk it, but this thinking of groups makes conspiracy theories stick like tar to a group of people of whom the majority won’t have anything to do with it anyway.
This family is off limits for me in many ways because to be blunt ppl use them as a scapegoat for basically the same fucked up ideologies and actions that got us started with the Nazis in the third reich.
I’m gonna be honest here, you trying to regurgitate the same reasons why they’ve been basically hunted by extreme right wing nuts makes me vomit. It also makes me suspect you’re trying to instigate something as well and I don’t appreciate that.
I know you want a nuanced discussion but this is not the time nor the subject for that. There’s a lot of powerful people, and if you at least read up on the awful conspiracy theories and how they are easily debunked, you will realize how fucked up it is to reiterate the reasons making them a target.
https://time.com/6311698/antisemitism-conspiracy-theories-rothschild/
Oh and if you’re one of those people trying to put another target on the backs of a whole family tree, then I think we’re done talking. No one deserves to be under constant threat for their last name, no exceptions.
Which is strange because we are discussing an Olympic athlete suing a TERF.
So don’t say that then. I certainly didn’t write that quote.
Oh yes. Targeting people because they are Jewish is certainly wrong. But family members of the Rothschilds are as open to just as much criticism as the Rockefellers or the Murdochs.
I’ve regurgitated nothing. You are the one pushing an irrelevant topic and using fake quotes to trying and start an antisemitic argument.
Pure projection. This thread is about JK Rowling and Imane Khelif.
Again, it’s only you repeatedly mentioning conspiracy theories.
Agreed. And to reiterate my original point made in response to your irrelevant interjection, no-one gets to avoid criticism just because they happen to have a particular last name.