My understanding between TB4 and TB3 is that they’re essentially the same, it’s just that the standard of TB4 essentially mandates that the device must do all that TB3 maybe could do. Minimum bandwidth is increased and I think I read something about power delivery minimums as well. This eGPU chassis I bought came with it’s own TB4 cable, which is actually the first Thunderbolt cable I’ve seen that specifically says “4” on it.

I assume the reason they supplied this is because, given what it does, an eGPU chassis is going to need to support some pretty bandwidth for a GPU. In my case though, I’m actually using this chassis not for a balls to the wall kick ass Graphics card, but actually to allow me to attach an old and very humble i/o card from Blackmagic. It’s currently working just fine for that purpose.

Thing is, the supplied TB4 cable is pretty short and the chassis along with the ATX power supply mounted on it makes for a pretty hefty desk-space consuming setup. I’d like to move the whole setup somewhere fairly far off from the laptop to save me some precious desk space. I looked up 2m thunderbolt 4 cables which I understand is the longest distance you can get for TB4 and still maintain bandwidth and while it’s not too bad, the prices are high for a cable. It occurs to me though that since I’m barely using a fraction of the available bandwidth anyway, could I use other, cheaper, long cables. USB4 comes up a lot in my search for 2m TB4 cables for example. (although they are mostly from AliExpress so don’t know how good an idea it is to buy from them). If the chassis has TB4 controllers in it, as does the laptop to which it’s attached, can one just put a USB4 cable between them? Are they physically different?

For that matter, since my bandwidth needs are so tiny, could I just find cheaper, longer TB3 cables?

  • @9point6
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    121 days ago

    FWIW I don’t think you just lose bandwidth with longer cables, but rather it just loses sync and the cable stops working.

    I have a thunderbolt 4 hub that I wanted to tuck away somewhere, so I tried several longer cables (some usb4 as you said, one actual longer TB cable) none of them worked reliably like the 30cm cable that came with it. It would sporadically lose connection for a couple of seconds before reconnecting in most cases or it just wouldn’t connect at all.

    Not sure if my hub or cable choices are the problem or if it really does just have to be as short as possible in some cases.

    • @[email protected]
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      120 days ago

      Depends on the failure mode; If your USB4 cable has enough noise (due to poor cabling, damage, or interference), it may negotiate down to 40Gbps (or even 20Gbps) instead of 80Gbps instead of outright failure, but it might also intermittently crap out if it negotiates a certain speed and then get moved.

      If your device requires a speed that can’t be reached, yeah it’ll pretty much always fail on a bad cable.