Russia, whose defense and security agencies are heavily focused on its war in Ukraine, has seen a recent upsurge in Islamist militant attacks.
Four knife-wielding prisoners claiming to be Islamic State group militants launched a deadly attack in a penal colony in southern Russia on Friday before being killed and their hostages released, officials said.
The attack left four people dead, while the four hostage-taking prisoners were “neutralized” by snipers, Russian officials said.
The attackers initially seized eight penal colony employees and four fellow inmates, according to Russia’s Federal Penitentiary Ser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
As someone who is not in a country supporting Russia, every thing you say to justify more death in Ukraine because “russia also bad” is whataboutism.
You cannot affect what Russia does. You can (OK, if any of our representatives actually represented us) affect what your own country does.
Also bad? Also along with whom? The subject of this post is Russia. We are talking about Russia because Russia is the subject. There is no “also” with Russia in this post.
I don’t understand. Who here is justifying death in Ukraine? I thought this post was about Russian penal colonies (in Russia, not Ukraine).
Flying Squid, as someone not living in Russia talking to people who mostly don’t live in Russia, calling for the destruction of the Russian state, only serves to justify further weapons to Ukraine, spilling more Ukrainian and Russian blood.
If we were in Russia, the situation would be reversed (we also might not even be having this conversation due to fear of reprecussion)
I have looked across the whole thread and see no justification of death in flying squid’s comments.
But since you mentioned it, I don’t understand your reasoning of “sending weapons to Ukraine results in spilling Ukrainian and Russian blood”. Ukraine is defending itself from a Russian invasion. The only one capable of stopping the war is Russia. It’s how invasions work. There is an invader and an invaded. The invaded has no choice but to defend themselves. The invader has 2 choices: keep invading ir stop invading.
Sending weapons to Ukraine means Ukraine is able to defend itself, signaling to Russia that they can’t invade other countries for free, which means Russia will be less capable to invade other countries. Which in turn means less blood spilled overall.
If you want the least amount of blood spilled, you should be advocating to send weapons to Ukraine.
There were peace offers from Russia a year ago that would have had them give up a portion of their occupied territory for peace. Ukraine declined because they believed they had the means to take back even more territory (at the expense of a lot more Ukrainian blood).
We’d have avoided the last year’s bloodshed if we stopped sending weapons back then.
What we are seeing right now is the absolute worst possible scenario for Ukrainians; a quick win or loss wouldn’t have killed 100K+, destroyed millions of homes, and displaced millions of refugees.
Russia can barely manage to invade the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine, do you really think they’re planning to invade NATO next?
Ah yes. Surely if you give Russia the land it wants, it will never again invade. Surely. Just like they agreed to never invade Ukraine if they gave up their nukes.
Pro tip: if Russia invades your country, just give them your land! That way noone will die! Except those that died at the start of the invasion. And those that will die in the next invasion when Russia wants more free land.