• @jorp
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    2721 days ago

    here are two arguments:

    1. Your stance is based on the idea that both sides have equal merit
    2. You have no principles or independent thought

    you can pick the exact middle

    • @samokosik
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      -1921 days ago

      It’s hard to judge whether extreme right or extreme left is worse. They are both dangerous for a country, though in a different sense.

      I personally am not in the exact middle but being radical is not a choice.

      • @jorp
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        1721 days ago

        What do you think are the beliefs of the extreme left?

        • @samokosik
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          -1421 days ago

          Usually the surreal ones such as extremely high minimum wages, fixed prices for food, state-sponsored housing, etc.

          Basically all actions that look very good on paper but at the same time are extremely expensive.

          • @[email protected]
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            1421 days ago

            extremely high minimum wages, fixed prices for food, state-sponsored housing, etc.

            Ooooooooo scary!

            Totally the same thing as literally exterminating entire groups of people based on characteristics they were born with.

            In all seriousness though, you should look at what Finland has done regarding “public housing,” and how great it has been for them. Spoiler alert, they’re actually really nice, and affordable. Because nobody is looking to maximize a profit.

            But please, let me know how “Finland is much smaller than the US, therefore impossible.”

            • @samokosik
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              -821 days ago

              Well yes. They can go for it because they considering their size, they have a strong economy. They are literally the 3rd most prosperous country in the world.

              If you can afford it, go for it but firstly you need to make the money.

              • @JustARaccoon
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                621 days ago

                And how do you think they became prosperous? You have to give people the chance to spend money to have a growing economy, otherwise everyone’s keeping money for later and nothings flowing.

                • @samokosik
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                  Because they have a strong service sector that produces revenue and also good high-technology manufacturing. You make money by producing revenue not from sponsoring everyone’s life. Sure, you can invest in people at the beginning but they need to start making money for your investment to pay off.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    You make money by producing revenue not from sponsoring everyone’s life.

                    Nobody is “sponsoring” anybody’s life.

                    And you’re just wrong. “Producing revenue” helps corporations, it does nothing for 99.9% of American citizens. I can’t believe we still have to debunk this supply-side horse shit.

                    Over and over again, Scandinavian countries (and others) have shown us that, if you provide the very basics for human survival (e.g. shelter, health care, food) and perhaps some basic services needed for gainful employment like internet and public transportation, people are not only far happier and healthier, but they are also more productive members of society. It’s almost as if it’s nearly impossible to be productive when you are constantly stressed over the very basics for human survival. Wild.

                    There. Is. Literally. No. Down. Side. Unless. You. Are. A. Billionaire.

                    And even then… Oh no, you have to be a $100 millionaire instead of. $3 billionaire. How will you survive 🙄

          • @SmilingSolaris
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            1021 days ago

            You view those as similar in extremism to Nazis? That’s a self report right there.

            • @samokosik
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              -1321 days ago

              I would say nazis and communists are equally as bad and equally as dangerous.

              • @SmilingSolaris
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                921 days ago

                I’m gonna go ahead and say you are not a member of any group targeted by the Holocaust then.

                • @samokosik
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                  My great grandfather was in a concentration camp.

                  I would rather say your ancestors never lived in a communist country.

          • @jorp
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            lol yes ok very dangerous and equivalent to fascism understood

            my opinion of centrists has completely flipped, I totally get why “spending too much” and “enforcing an ethnic hierarchy” are the same degree of evil

            snark aside: you should reflect about what exactly money is, what it’s used for and what it represents, and how a government spending its own legal tender differs from household finances.