I see you don’t understand the most basic division between the working class and the owning class
You have no class consciousness.
I feel bad that I mocked you earlier, you don’t have clear ideas about what capitalism is, what the working class is, or how our economic system is based on economic dictatorship by wealthier people over poorer people.
Socialism is about making the economy into a democracy, you don’t want your private life or public life controlled by a dictator, why your work life? That’s half your waking hours. You’re living in a dictatorship for half the time you’re conscious.
The workers should own what they produce, that includes management, it includes “skilled” labor and “unskilled” labor. It includes everyone but the shareholders and private owners who are a parasite.
First of all, I do not see how our lives are based on a dictatorship by wealthier people.
How do you then want to democratize the economy? Do you want companies to have a structure where everyone votes?
You know, there is a significant difference between a state and a company. When you dislike a company, you can very easily just move to another one, when you feel abused by your boss, you can change the job anytime.
In most countries, we have no laws that prohibit you from changing your job.
On the other hand, to get a citizenship in my country, you need to live here realistically for 8 years.
What I am trying to say here is that even if a company has a terrible leadership, it’s not the end of the world. It will probably end bankrupt but people can still find a job somewhere else.
On the other hand, incompetent leading of a state can impact life more seriously and most importantly an individual cannot change the situation easily.
Last but not least you are saying that shareholders and private owners are parasites is not true at all. They give money to the company. Without that, you can have skilled employees but will they work for the sake of enjoying life in a democratic company? I highly doubt.
yes and all you’ve done is repeat slogans while not demonstrating that your understand the alternatives.
You’re clueless about how a socialist economy can function (there are actually many different ways) and everything you say is through the lens of your current capitalist neoliberal life. You’re imagining micro-adjustments that betray a complete lack of understanding and imagination.
I’m not going to convince you or get through to you so we can go our separate ways, but you’re extremely confident for someone who really doesn’t get it, and that’s just unfortunate for your own sake
So essentially no one can leave then? First you say that capitalists should leave but workers stay. Then you say managers and engineers are workers…
So essentially you want everyone to stay?
I see you don’t understand the most basic division between the working class and the owning class
You have no class consciousness.
I feel bad that I mocked you earlier, you don’t have clear ideas about what capitalism is, what the working class is, or how our economic system is based on economic dictatorship by wealthier people over poorer people.
Socialism is about making the economy into a democracy, you don’t want your private life or public life controlled by a dictator, why your work life? That’s half your waking hours. You’re living in a dictatorship for half the time you’re conscious.
The workers should own what they produce, that includes management, it includes “skilled” labor and “unskilled” labor. It includes everyone but the shareholders and private owners who are a parasite.
First of all, I do not see how our lives are based on a dictatorship by wealthier people.
How do you then want to democratize the economy? Do you want companies to have a structure where everyone votes?
You know, there is a significant difference between a state and a company. When you dislike a company, you can very easily just move to another one, when you feel abused by your boss, you can change the job anytime. In most countries, we have no laws that prohibit you from changing your job. On the other hand, to get a citizenship in my country, you need to live here realistically for 8 years. What I am trying to say here is that even if a company has a terrible leadership, it’s not the end of the world. It will probably end bankrupt but people can still find a job somewhere else. On the other hand, incompetent leading of a state can impact life more seriously and most importantly an individual cannot change the situation easily.
Last but not least you are saying that shareholders and private owners are parasites is not true at all. They give money to the company. Without that, you can have skilled employees but will they work for the sake of enjoying life in a democratic company? I highly doubt.
you really can’t imagine anything else can you? this is what’s called “capitalist realism”
I can. But pragmatically capitalism has been the best option so far.
Yes it appears to be your deity.
You really don’t understand the alternatives, it’s clear from this thread.
There is a difference between not understanding the alternatives and providing reasons why they are overall worse.
yes and all you’ve done is repeat slogans while not demonstrating that your understand the alternatives.
You’re clueless about how a socialist economy can function (there are actually many different ways) and everything you say is through the lens of your current capitalist neoliberal life. You’re imagining micro-adjustments that betray a complete lack of understanding and imagination.
I’m not going to convince you or get through to you so we can go our separate ways, but you’re extremely confident for someone who really doesn’t get it, and that’s just unfortunate for your own sake
What exactly am I not getting about socialist economy?
The ones who disagree with socialism are usually told they just don’t understand it & that it has not been tried.
Reality is, it’s been tried and it always failed.