Those children made " the ultimate sacrifice " to expand and maintain American imperialism and violence worldwide. Just because we hate trump there is no reason to defend the American empire and its willing enforcers.
Ok, I’m not going to debate that with you. I don’t know these kids, their motivations, their missions, or how they lived and died. I’m talking about every body laid to rest in Arlington, and far too many that still lay where they fell, all of the soldiers, living and dead, are deserving of a certain modicum of reapect. They deserve to not be used as props in a campaign photo. Their families deserve to not see their tombstones used as an arm rest in a photo op.
I would be horrified if someone asked to visit my parents’ grave for a photo op. I can barely go there without breaking down. My family’s grief is private.
This incident was with the parents of people in section 60 specifically for people dying post 9-11 “War on terror” soldiers in other words. Stop obfuscating.
Oh you are an Iraq war defender I’m not going to bother getting into an argument with you it’s not worth it to argue with someone literally defending the Iraq war as bringing “Democracy” to Iraq with all the current information freely available about the true motives and the lists of war crimes.
Hey you’re talking about the soldiers. The guys who actually went over there. If you want to talk about Bush then talk about Bush. And the “list of war crimes” is just that, a list with a fraction of the people who served in Iraq.
And yeah I’m going to talk about bringing democracy back to Iraq. Because that’s exactly what happened. Are you going to try and tell us they weren’t the first free and fair elections since Saddam seized power?
I was there. And yeah Bush lied his ass off and got 4,000 of my friends killed. I’m incredibly bitter about that. But we also took Saddam out of power, and brought democracy back to Iraq. We were halfway through our peacekeeping period objectives when Bremer released his orders that gave life to the Iraqi insurgency and let AQ get a purchase in the country. But then we allied with those local militias to repair that situation too. And when ISIS reared it’s head we again supported Iraqi militias in their fight to secure their country.
It’s a far more complex situation than previous wars were. But the military did it’s best to actually stabilize the country, support the leadership the Iraqis voted for, and get out of the way as fast as possible. We just had to fight the white house the entire way because Cheney and friends were making billions of dollars on the services contracts for us being there.
We may have made the best of the situation when we were there, and obviously I don’t blame you for the evil decisions of the Bush administration, but I don’t know if anyone can justify going there in the first place.
Afghanistan may be among the most humanitarian deployments the US military has done. The infant mortality rate fell significantly while the US was there, and women had the freedom to go to school and participate in the economy without violent oppression.
Our mistake in Afghanistan was that we didn’t build a lasting change. We gave arms to the wrong people. We should’ve been training and arming the women to fight back and protect their democracy. Not men who were going to be fine either way.
You have no Idea how much I agree with that statement.
I am from Switzerland, where everyone has to serve. I always thought that this was a stabilizing factor in our country, since the military power in the country is also the democratic power in the country.
So I never understood why they wouldn’t arm the very people who are most likely to be suppressed and instead arm the people who are likely to do the suppressing.
Women would have been inspired for the cause, they would have been willing and motivated. The men apparently weren’t.
Those children made " the ultimate sacrifice " to expand and maintain American imperialism and violence worldwide. Just because we hate trump there is no reason to defend the American empire and its willing enforcers.
Ok, I’m not going to debate that with you. I don’t know these kids, their motivations, their missions, or how they lived and died. I’m talking about every body laid to rest in Arlington, and far too many that still lay where they fell, all of the soldiers, living and dead, are deserving of a certain modicum of reapect. They deserve to not be used as props in a campaign photo. Their families deserve to not see their tombstones used as an arm rest in a photo op.
I would be horrified if someone asked to visit my parents’ grave for a photo op. I can barely go there without breaking down. My family’s grief is private.
If someone used even my half forgotten ancestors graves as a political prop id set them on fire. Let alone any of the kin I knew.
Oh yes all those soldiers from, (checks notes), fighting the Nazis and Japanese.
Yeah them. Horrible people, the absolute worst amiright?
This incident was with the parents of people in section 60 specifically for people dying post 9-11 “War on terror” soldiers in other words. Stop obfuscating.
Oh okay the ones who got rid of Saddam and helped Iraq hold free and fair elections?
Those guys?
Oh you are an Iraq war defender I’m not going to bother getting into an argument with you it’s not worth it to argue with someone literally defending the Iraq war as bringing “Democracy” to Iraq with all the current information freely available about the true motives and the lists of war crimes.
Hey you’re talking about the soldiers. The guys who actually went over there. If you want to talk about Bush then talk about Bush. And the “list of war crimes” is just that, a list with a fraction of the people who served in Iraq.
And yeah I’m going to talk about bringing democracy back to Iraq. Because that’s exactly what happened. Are you going to try and tell us they weren’t the first free and fair elections since Saddam seized power?
Let me guess, you were there and killed a bunch of people, and this is what you have to tell yourself in order to make it day to day.
That sucks. But if you’re going to post publicly defending the Iraq War, then you better be ready for criticism.
I was there. And yeah Bush lied his ass off and got 4,000 of my friends killed. I’m incredibly bitter about that. But we also took Saddam out of power, and brought democracy back to Iraq. We were halfway through our peacekeeping period objectives when Bremer released his orders that gave life to the Iraqi insurgency and let AQ get a purchase in the country. But then we allied with those local militias to repair that situation too. And when ISIS reared it’s head we again supported Iraqi militias in their fight to secure their country.
It’s a far more complex situation than previous wars were. But the military did it’s best to actually stabilize the country, support the leadership the Iraqis voted for, and get out of the way as fast as possible. We just had to fight the white house the entire way because Cheney and friends were making billions of dollars on the services contracts for us being there.
We may have made the best of the situation when we were there, and obviously I don’t blame you for the evil decisions of the Bush administration, but I don’t know if anyone can justify going there in the first place.
Afghanistan? Ok sure. Maybe. Iraq? Nah
Whoa… There’s something you don’t see often in the wild.
imperialism = defending women’s right everywhere, including in Afghanistan?
I think I might actually be an imperialist!
Afghanistan may be among the most humanitarian deployments the US military has done. The infant mortality rate fell significantly while the US was there, and women had the freedom to go to school and participate in the economy without violent oppression.
Our mistake in Afghanistan was that we didn’t build a lasting change. We gave arms to the wrong people. We should’ve been training and arming the women to fight back and protect their democracy. Not men who were going to be fine either way.
You have no Idea how much I agree with that statement.
I am from Switzerland, where everyone has to serve. I always thought that this was a stabilizing factor in our country, since the military power in the country is also the democratic power in the country.
So I never understood why they wouldn’t arm the very people who are most likely to be suppressed and instead arm the people who are likely to do the suppressing.
Women would have been inspired for the cause, they would have been willing and motivated. The men apparently weren’t.