The shooter is a sovereign citizen.

  • Omega
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    1613 days ago

    Empathy for rapists and murderers is NOT the reason I’m against the death penalty.

    • Flying Squid
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      113 days ago

      They’re human beings too. Why are you in the position to say anyone deserves death?

      • Omega
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        813 days ago

        I am against the death penalty. I do believe some people deserve death. But I also don’t think anyone should have that authority over someone who isn’t a threat.

        So yeah, I agree that I’m not in a position to say that someone deserves death.

      • @Dkarma
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        713 days ago

        Oh so now the social contract is void???

        • Flying Squid
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          213 days ago

          I guess I didn’t realize “certain people deserve death” was part of the social contract.

          In that case, yes. I would say it should be abandoned.

          • @meco03211
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            213 days ago

            By certain people DO deserve death. The problem is making the absolute determination of guilt. Courts and governments get that wrong all the time. For that reason I’m against the death penalty.

            • Flying Squid
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              013 days ago

              Why does anyone deserve to be murdered by the state or by anyone else no matter what they themselves have done? What does that achieve other than satisfying a bloodlust?

              • @meco03211
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                213 days ago

                Protecting people from further harm. Punishment instead of rehabilitation. It’s fine if you wouldn’t, but understand plenty of people feel differently. Surely you’re onboard with some punishment or rehabilitation. There are those who would go further.

                As a matter of practice, I oppose the death penalty. But I acknowledge there are people that deserve to die.

                • Flying Squid
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                  113 days ago

                  Protecting people from further harm.

                  That’s what prisons are for.

                  Punishment instead of rehabilitation.

                  Yes, I understand bloodlust, I just think it’s wrong.

                  • @meco03211
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                    113 days ago

                    That’s what prisons are for.

                    What about the other people in the prisons? Is solitary sufficient for you? What about the psychological harm that can do? Does a life sentence of torture work? What amount of resources should we direct to keeping a dangerous person locked up alive and not psychologically tortured? Are there other government functions you’d be fine losing at the cost of housing them? In the US we can manage that, but other countries maybe not.

            • Flying Squid
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              313 days ago

              There is a massive gulf between tolerating the intolerant and saying some people deserve death.