• Johanno
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    22 months ago

    Hamas is not a victim! The population in Gaza is. A victim of their government and their government enemies, but Hamas is a terrorist organisation that has no intentions of stopping that war. Even at the cost of their own people.

    • @WaxedWookie
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      32 months ago

      What would Hamas backing off look like, exactly?

      What could they do to stop the genocide?

      • Johanno
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        -52 months ago

        Right now? Probably almost nothing, except to accept defeat.

        But we at a decades old conflict.

        • TheYojimbo
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          72 months ago

          Accepting defeat against a genocide is also called suicide

          • YeetPics
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            -32 months ago

            Suicide can be honorable.

            You cheered for Bushnell, right?

            • TheYojimbo
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              32 months ago

              I don’t think these people want to die.

        • @WaxedWookie
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          22 months ago

          Now can you explain why Hamas is at fault for not laying down to get genocided when doing so will only let Israel wipe out Palestine faster?

          While you’re at it, you can explain how the age of the conflict changes that in any way.

          • Johanno
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            -12 months ago

            If the Hamas would officially surrender, continuing the killing would be a heavy war crime (not that Israels government cares though) however I would hope the rest of the world would care more.

            • @WaxedWookie
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              32 months ago

              To summarise, Hamas is at fault because they’re not surrendering to be killed, allowing Israel to mulch the Palestinians so fast that the international community miiight turn against them where the ongoing genocide and thousands of gleefully documented warcrimes haven’t?

              Does this seem like a reasonable assignment of blame or viable solution to the issue to you?

              • Johanno
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                02 months ago

                The Hamas had plenty opportunities to surrender. And even if they do now they would get a better situation.

                I can’t see into the future, but I think that would be the best option.

                However this is a war about religion, and won’t end until one gives up fully. I am sure once Gaza is defeated the Hamas will switch to guerilla tactics in order to cause as much harm as possible.

                • @WaxedWookie
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                  12 months ago

                  Surrendering to those genociding your people so that they can genocide you more easily isn’t a better solution.

                  Why are you blaming the victims of a genocide rather than calling for Israel to stop committing the genocide and surrender to the Hague? Israel are the ones with the actual ability to stop this, and they’re the ones committing orders of magnitude more atrocities.

                  • Johanno
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                    02 months ago

                    First of all calling it a genocide is debatable.

                    Secondly, while the people are victims, the Hamas is not. If the Hamas would have cared for their people, they would have done so years ago. Right now they are fucked. Because I don’t think neathu ie backing down.