But is creating those jobs actually something we want? How much does someone get paid for collecting carts? How much does that increase prices for basic necessities? Do we have a labor surplus such that any job is a good job?
The answer to all of those is “no.” I don’t know about you, but I’d much rather keep my office job than go collect carts, so I put my cart away so the person would would have that job can get a better job.
So my personal take on shopping cart theory is that it assumes putting away shopping carts is not a fun job.
I have worked at whole foods for 2 years, and the thing I hated the most was how it felt like Bezos’s watchful eye was always on you. The supervisors could be super persnickety about your breaks. Compared to my new life as a self employed musician, it was like prison, but that’s retail for ya.
I personally loved cart duty. It was a time when I could go outside, get some fresh air, and not be under the surveillance of that god awful company*.
So now if it is a nice day out, I will go out of my way to put the cart in left field. I call it a chaotic good move.
That said the “it keeps jobs” is BS. If cart duty wasn’t a thing, the person would still be filling baskets and cleaning windows.
*Note: the Halstead location in Chicago was actually really great. Maybe it was the Stockholm syndrome of working retail during pandemic, maybe it was Midwestern kindness, but that team actually seemed to care about each other’s wellbeing and we’d even hang out. I lean towards Midwestern kindness though, I moved here from Seattle and while I miss the mountains, I CERTAINLY do not miss the social scene. Despite what the news tries to tell you, Chicago takes care of its own. Even when I was a stranger in a strange land, and then homeless during polar vortex, the people took me in. Every. Night.
Not sure if I’d visit, but I’d definitely live here.
Sorry for the Chicago tangent, I’m a few handshakes deep and I get emotional about this fuckin’ place.
Littering has environmental impact, and looks bad. Carts being put back by the company or the customer doesn’t hurt the environment. If it looks bad the company creates a job to ensure the customer keeps coming.
Yeah but like I said elsewhere in this thread I have been to grocery stores (5 Krogers a Publix, and a Food Lion) 80 times in the past couple weeks working instacart at nights to pay off some bills I didn’t want to pile up. No carts have been seen by me moving around, everyone puts them in the cart returns that take up many of the parking spaces. Seems like a lot of made up concern. Not to mention the force it would take to dent/scratch a car by a cart. I’ve watched multiple cops over the years push cars when they have broken down in the road, the paint/bumbers are a lot more sturdy than many think. Aftermarket paint jobs might be an issue if they are cheap paint if you are pushing the car, but a shopping cart would need to be going fast to do anything real.
The cart carrier’s job will still be there regardless. I take my cart to the stall, they take it to the store, and nobody has to deal with loose carts. My social responsibility is not impacting anyone’s job in this case.
yeah I figured you were, but it seemed like some people were actually engaging with it. As if make-work somehow made the line go up.
There’s a fun joke:
2 economists are out walking. The first economist sees a pile of dog shit and says to the other, “I’ll pay you $50 to eat that dog shit.” So he does and gets paid $50. Later on, the second economist sees a pile of dog shit and says to the first, “I’ll pay you $50 to eat that pile of dog shit.” So he does and gets paid $50.
The first economist says, “I can’t help but feel we just ate dog shit for nothing.” “Nonsense,” says the second economist, “We just contributed $100 to the economy.”
Of course actual economists aren’t this terrible, but the popular perception of economics/monetary theory is about this braindead.
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But is creating those jobs actually something we want? How much does someone get paid for collecting carts? How much does that increase prices for basic necessities? Do we have a labor surplus such that any job is a good job?
The answer to all of those is “no.” I don’t know about you, but I’d much rather keep my office job than go collect carts, so I put my cart away so the person would would have that job can get a better job.
So my personal take on shopping cart theory is that it assumes putting away shopping carts is not a fun job.
I have worked at whole foods for 2 years, and the thing I hated the most was how it felt like Bezos’s watchful eye was always on you. The supervisors could be super persnickety about your breaks. Compared to my new life as a self employed musician, it was like prison, but that’s retail for ya.
I personally loved cart duty. It was a time when I could go outside, get some fresh air, and not be under the surveillance of that god awful company*.
So now if it is a nice day out, I will go out of my way to put the cart in left field. I call it a chaotic good move.
That said the “it keeps jobs” is BS. If cart duty wasn’t a thing, the person would still be filling baskets and cleaning windows.
*Note: the Halstead location in Chicago was actually really great. Maybe it was the Stockholm syndrome of working retail during pandemic, maybe it was Midwestern kindness, but that team actually seemed to care about each other’s wellbeing and we’d even hang out. I lean towards Midwestern kindness though, I moved here from Seattle and while I miss the mountains, I CERTAINLY do not miss the social scene. Despite what the news tries to tell you, Chicago takes care of its own. Even when I was a stranger in a strange land, and then homeless during polar vortex, the people took me in. Every. Night.
Not sure if I’d visit, but I’d definitely live here.
Sorry for the Chicago tangent, I’m a few handshakes deep and I get emotional about this fuckin’ place.
The problem isn’t that it’s not a fun job. It’s that the pay is shit.
So I should do it for free because the store isn’t willing to pay their employees?
This is just “littering is fine because it’s someone’s job to pick it up” with extra steps.
Littering has environmental impact, and looks bad. Carts being put back by the company or the customer doesn’t hurt the environment. If it looks bad the company creates a job to ensure the customer keeps coming.
You can’t reason with these cart extremists because the only thing they actually care about is their car not being dented by a cart.
Yeah but like I said elsewhere in this thread I have been to grocery stores (5 Krogers a Publix, and a Food Lion) 80 times in the past couple weeks working instacart at nights to pay off some bills I didn’t want to pile up. No carts have been seen by me moving around, everyone puts them in the cart returns that take up many of the parking spaces. Seems like a lot of made up concern. Not to mention the force it would take to dent/scratch a car by a cart. I’ve watched multiple cops over the years push cars when they have broken down in the road, the paint/bumbers are a lot more sturdy than many think. Aftermarket paint jobs might be an issue if they are cheap paint if you are pushing the car, but a shopping cart would need to be going fast to do anything real.
Gee pal, that sure is a lot of assumptions youre making!
I’ve had numerous discussions with cartbrains and that’s where it always ends up. 🚘🛒💨
The cart carrier’s job will still be there regardless. I take my cart to the stall, they take it to the store, and nobody has to deal with loose carts. My social responsibility is not impacting anyone’s job in this case.
Yarp, that agrees with everything I said and what most people do.
something something glaziers fallacy.
Obviously this is a joke, but if it even sounded remotely plausible to anyone reading fix yourself.
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yeah I figured you were, but it seemed like some people were actually engaging with it. As if make-work somehow made the line go up.
There’s a fun joke:
2 economists are out walking. The first economist sees a pile of dog shit and says to the other, “I’ll pay you $50 to eat that dog shit.” So he does and gets paid $50. Later on, the second economist sees a pile of dog shit and says to the first, “I’ll pay you $50 to eat that pile of dog shit.” So he does and gets paid $50.
The first economist says, “I can’t help but feel we just ate dog shit for nothing.” “Nonsense,” says the second economist, “We just contributed $100 to the economy.”
Of course actual economists aren’t this terrible, but the popular perception of economics/monetary theory is about this braindead.
You can’t think of a job more productive than cleaning up after lazy cunts?
This is why I dig ditches. I create labour because someone has to pay to fill them in.
Show us one example literally anywhere that actually did that. Philosophy is not an excuse for being a lazy jerk.
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Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg everyone.
We should hire someone to wipe our arses for us too!
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I mean they still gotta put em up after that so…