• OBJECTION!
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    -38 days ago

    What’s your plan for getting Putin to agree to such a proposal?

    • Flying SquidM
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      68 days ago

      Russia returns to the borders that were negotiated with Ukraine after they gained independence, borders they agreed not to cross if Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, and in return the world will lift sanctions against Russia. Everyone gains.

      • OBJECTION!
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        -48 days ago

        Russia isn’t going to accept those terms, it’s unrealistic.

        • Flying SquidM
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          98 days ago

          It’s unrealistic to expect Putin to accept any terms beyond “Ukraine is Russia’s,” but you were talking about negotiations as if he were willing to negotiate.

          • OBJECTION!
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            8 days ago

            Neither part of that is remotely true. Putin has not claimed all of Ukraine, and he has offered to negotiate. For example.

            It’s Ukraine and the US that have refused to negotiate.

            • Flying SquidM
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              78 days ago

              Your link says he wants to keep all of Ukraine he captured as an essential part of the so-called negotiation. That is about as serious an offer to negotiate a ceasefire as what Israel has put on the table and I think you know that.

              Also:

              In his 2021 essay “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians”, Putin claimed there is “no historical basis” for the “idea of Ukrainian people as a nation separate from the Russians”

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Denying_Ukrainian_nationhood_and_statehood

              • OBJECTION!
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                -48 days ago

                A ceasefire along current lines is a hell of a lot more realistic than demanding a full withdrawal as a precondition for talks.

                It seems like just a bit of a leap to go from an essay challenging the idea of Ukrainian nationhood to saying that Putin will reject all negotiations and won’t accept anything less than full annexation.

                • Flying SquidM
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                  68 days ago

                  Do you think Hamas would accept a ceasefire along current lines?

                  Did you notice where I showed you that Putin thinks all of Ukraine is Russian? Because you didn’t mention it despite claiming that he didn’t think that.

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                    -48 days ago

                    I don’t consider the Palestinian genocide to be a comparable situation.

                    What I said is that Russia is willing to negotiate and doesn’t demand full annexation, as you claimed. This is objectively true, as evidenced by the link where they offered a ceasefire along current lines. I’ve yet to see you admit to being wrong about that.

                    The essay you linked does not show your false claim about demanding nothing less than full annexation to be true.